MOTEC for K20Z3

***KidnKorner*** · 11-13-2007, 11:27 PM

I ran across this web site where a guy swapped a K20Z3 into a 1995 Hatchback and maintained the OEM DBW. What also caught my eye was he installed and tuned the engine with MOTEC. I emailed him about gauges and if he is running the MAF too (though I don't see it in pics). I realize MOTEC is really expensive, but nonetheless an avenue for tuning.

http://www.leitchmotorsports.com/JQualls/Quallsk20.html

***Whocares05050*** · 11-13-2007, 11:31 PM

MOTEC is the shit.

KingMarineM16a4 · 11-13-2007, 11:32 PM

I dont understand why people don't just get the Z1 it has much better aftermarket support and tuning options.

***KidnKorner*** · 11-13-2007, 11:37 PM

I don't know about many tuning options for the car, I just see people posting "why bother there is no tuning" "....and without KPRO there is no point."

I have even stated you can always do piggyback (emanage ultimate) to tune AFR and VTEC engagement point, although it would be nice to do cam angles as well.

Jardiniboy · 11-13-2007, 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by KingMarineM16a4

I dont understand why people don't just get the Z1 it has much better aftermarket support and tuning options.

Maybe he got the motor at a very good price that he could pass by. Also, the guys has a motec EMS which one of the best tuning EMS out there.

***Highrev1*** · 11-13-2007, 11:42 PM

I would be willing to be that he dumped the MAF and is utalizing the MAP as the primary fueling source...And also using the motec to run the DBW...BY dumping MAF he basically turns the car into any other K almost and all he would need is a RSX wiring harness and he can run that engine with the Motec...

***KidnKorner*** · 11-13-2007, 11:45 PM

I think what the KPro soloution is going to be is what HASport and Hondata did with the K20 Fit, 2 ECU's

Quote:

Originally Posted by Highrev1

I would be willing to be that he dumped the MAF and is utalizing the MAP as the primary fueling source...And also using the motec to run the DBW...BY dumping MAF he basically turns the car into any other K almost and all he would need is a RSX wiring harness and he can run that engine with the Motec...

Could this be done to the Si and maintain guage/dash function?

***Highrev1*** · 11-13-2007, 11:49 PM

No..Due to the unique can-bus system that we run, most of the standalone ECU's do run a can bus line to the gauges but then usually use a digital gauge that accepts that input.

Hasport did use K-pro on their SI, but they change the wholde wiring harness, dash harness, and changed out to a custom gauge cluster.

***KidnKorner*** · 11-14-2007, 12:21 AM

Hasport installed a K20Z3 into a Fit and utilized 2 ECU's, The fits ECU was retained for Dash and guage function, AC, and the KPro ECU managed the engine function.

***Highrev1*** · 11-14-2007, 12:33 AM

"Due to the sophisticated electronics of the Fit, use of a K-series ECU results in the throttle by wire, HVAC and dash instruments ceasing to work. Hondata hopes to release a Fit/K-Pro adapter harness to help with this problem in the near future. At the time of the Kits release the best bet is to run a stand alone K-series ECU and gauges to give you the necessary information for vehicle operation."

Right that is different than what we will be getting

I think

berlinas2k2 · 11-14-2007, 12:38 AM

i'd like to get more info on that motec tuning setup....subscribed...

and someone email that guy!

***KidnKorner*** · 11-14-2007, 12:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Highrev1

Right that is different than what we will be getting

I think

Know something special? Want to share?

***Highrev1*** · 11-14-2007, 12:49 AM

benmunger · 11-14-2007, 02:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KingMarineM16a4

I dont understand why people don't just get the Z1 it has much better aftermarket support and tuning options.

It wont work with our gauges...

Jardiniboy · 11-14-2007, 03:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by benmunger

It wont work with our gauges...

He was talking about the the person who put the k20z3 in the eg hatch.

***KidnKorner*** · 11-14-2007, 08:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by benmunger

It wont work with our gauges...

Why wouldn't it work with our gauges? So long as you transferred all of the Z3's sensors to the Z1 and retain the Z3's ECU there shouldn't be any issues.

rbsjnh · 11-14-2007, 08:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Highrev1

No..Due to the unique can-bus system that we run, most of the standalone ECU's do run a can bus line to the gauges but then usually use a digital gauge that accepts that input.

Hasport did use K-pro on their SI, but they change the wholde wiring harness, dash harness, and changed out to a custom gauge cluster.

as far as I can find he is 100% correct...Hasport virtually did what you stated converted to a z3 to k24a2, which runs far more sililar to a z1, none of the dash worked...

***k20z3 Koop*** · 11-14-2007, 08:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KidnKorner

Why wouldn't it work with our gauges? So long as you transferred all of the Z3's sensors to the Z1 and retain the Z3's ECU there shouldn't be any issues.

^I may be wrong but I believe the z1 uses a MAP sensor. In which case the z3 ECM would have a hard time running without a MAF.

rbsjnh · 11-14-2007, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by k20z3 Koop

^I may be wrong but I believe the z1 uses a MAP sensor. In which case the z3 ECM would have a hard time running without a MAF.

they change the harness and the ecm to that of a simpler K...but you are 100% correct...

***Highrev1*** · 11-14-2007, 08:57 PM

The Z3 will run without a MAF but then needs to be converted to cable TB and the dash can not be maintained. As I said the harnessses will need to be changed out though.
You could swap a Z1 in but then not be able to tune it would probably run just fine on our ECU. But then you would have to add the MAF sensor....Its kinda a catch 22..

11-13-2007, 11:27 PM	#1 (permalink)
*KidnKorner* Pit Stop !? Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Gilbert, Arizona Age: 33 Posts: 522 Shane iTrader: 0 / 0%	MOTEC for K20Z3 I ran across this web site where a guy swapped a K20Z3 into a 1995 Hatchback and maintained the OEM DBW. What also caught my eye was he installed and tuned the engine with MOTEC. I emailed him about gauges and if he is running the MAF too (though I don't see it in pics). I realize MOTEC is really expensive, but nonetheless an avenue for tuning. http://www.leitchmotorsports.com/JQualls/Quallsk20.html

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*Highrev1* 8thcivic Sponsor Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 3,681 iTrader: 1 / 100%	I would be willing to be that he dumped the MAF and is utalizing the MAP as the primary fueling source...And also using the motec to run the DBW...BY dumping MAF he basically turns the car into any other K almost and all he would need is a RSX wiring harness and he can run that engine with the Motec... __________________ BUY MY CIVIC

11-13-2007, 11:49 PM	#8 (permalink)
*Highrev1* 8thcivic Sponsor Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 3,681 iTrader: 1 / 100%	No..Due to the unique can-bus system that we run, most of the standalone ECU's do run a can bus line to the gauges but then usually use a digital gauge that accepts that input. Hasport did use K-pro on their SI, but they change the wholde wiring harness, dash harness, and changed out to a custom gauge cluster. __________________ BUY MY CIVIC

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*Highrev1* 8thcivic Sponsor Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 3,681 iTrader: 1 / 100%	"Due to the sophisticated electronics of the Fit, use of a K-series ECU results in the throttle by wire, HVAC and dash instruments ceasing to work. Hondata hopes to release a Fit/K-Pro adapter harness to help with this problem in the near future. At the time of the Kits release the best bet is to run a stand alone K-series ECU and gauges to give you the necessary information for vehicle operation." Right that is different than what we will be getting I think __________________ BUY MY CIVIC

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KingMarineM16a4 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Arlington, Texas Age: 19 Posts: 5,478 David iTrader: 0 / 0%	I dont understand why people don't just get the Z1 it has much better aftermarket support and tuning options.

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*KidnKorner* Pit Stop !? Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Gilbert, Arizona Age: 33 Posts: 522 Shane iTrader: 0 / 0%	I don't know about many tuning options for the car, I just see people posting "why bother there is no tuning" "....and without KPRO there is no point." I have even stated you can always do piggyback (emanage ultimate) to tune AFR and VTEC engagement point, although it would be nice to do cam angles as well.

11-14-2007, 12:21 AM	#9 (permalink)
*KidnKorner* Pit Stop !? Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Gilbert, Arizona Age: 33 Posts: 522 Shane iTrader: 0 / 0%	Hasport installed a K20Z3 into a Fit and utilized 2 ECU's, The fits ECU was retained for Dash and guage function, AC, and the KPro ECU managed the engine function.

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berlinas2k2 Senior Member Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Vtecc'n in da Mugen' Posts: 4,750 254whp on 75 iTrader: 16 / 100%	i'd like to get more info on that motec tuning setup....subscribed... and someone email that guy!

11-14-2007, 08:57 PM	#20 (permalink)
*Highrev1* 8thcivic Sponsor Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 3,681 iTrader: 1 / 100%	The Z3 will run without a MAF but then needs to be converted to cable TB and the dash can not be maintained. As I said the harnessses will need to be changed out though. You could swap a Z1 in but then not be able to tune it would probably run just fine on our ECU. But then you would have to add the MAF sensor....Its kinda a catch 22.. __________________ BUY MY CIVIC

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