Drive by wire = LAG! - Page 2

honda_man12 · 11-07-2007, 12:58 AM

I notice the lag to be HORRIBLE when the car is cold...whenever I shift its like a 15 yr old trying to learn manual lol

abarab · 11-08-2007, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Cuban Si

then im stumped. why do u have 07 reflash on 06?

I bought the reflash from a friend who has an 07, he blew his motor and needed to sell it so i bought it from him. Having done so, my rpm's don't hang anymore, cus supposedly they fixed that problem with the 07 models. But the lag...apparently they didn't fix that.

***07k20z3ftw*** · 11-09-2007, 06:17 PM

its not lag, we have low torque, get usto driving a honda.

rbsjnh · 11-09-2007, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by 07k20z3ftw

its not lag, we have low torque, get usto driving a honda.

That is correct!!! All honda motors are the same way...an h22, b16, b18, until its over 4500 rpm its a dog...unless you have lag at 7000 rpm's there is no problem

abarab · 11-14-2007, 02:36 AM

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Originally Posted by 07k20z3ftw

its not lag, we have low torque, get usto driving a honda.

Quote:

Originally Posted by rbsjnh

That is correct!!! All honda motors are the same way...an h22, b16, b18, until its over 4500 rpm its a dog...unless you have lag at 7000 rpm's there is no problem

torque?! you must be noobies, go drive a car with drive-by-cable and you'll know what i'm talking about. the only reason why you do feel the "lag" that YOU'RE talking about in b series and h series motors is because they make less power and torque to begin with. 06 si's are faster and thats why you think the b and h series have that "lag"

Tastycakes · 11-14-2007, 03:58 AM

Why is everyone hatin on the DBW? Course i'm sure ppl out there hated fuel injection when it first came. I seriously wouldnt' doubt if there were forums back then youd have a bunch of "fuel injection = lag" threads. Then there would be a thread on someone converted to a carb.

friedk · 11-14-2007, 04:19 AM

Abarab is right.

I've driven incredibly underpowered, manual, old, POS Saturns and Kias with cable throttles that have an immediate throttle response.

It isn't the lack of torque. If those cars can respond when you press the throttle then so should ours.

Tastycakes this isn't about hating on drive by wire. This is about hating on our car's LAG because of how our drive by wire is. There are plenty of drive by wire Hondas that don't have that stupid throttle lag we have and actually respond when the throttle is pressed.

emopains · 11-15-2007, 09:02 PM

The lag in response was to make the vehicle more responsive at higher rpms because of it's low torque output. Some guy told me it makes it easier to drive. I don't know what he was talking about. I went with the hondata.

nunoctr · 11-16-2007, 06:07 AM

http://www.jdm-option.com/eng/parts/06_12/direct.html

in other cars the same problem...

blackhawk black si · 11-16-2007, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Tastycakes

Why is everyone hatin on the DBW? Course i'm sure ppl out there hated fuel injection when it first came. I seriously wouldnt' doubt if there were forums back then youd have a bunch of "fuel injection = lag" threads. Then there would be a thread on someone converted to a carb.

Sure everyone fears change however the dbw is hated by the tuner community becuase nobody has been able to bring out an ECU to run with the dbw. Meaning no Kpro no way of actually being able to tune your car. Im sure eventually something will be done and the whole dbw will be a distant memory but for now

Dwn4nythng · 11-16-2007, 02:02 PM

Throw in some pulleys and some of that lag disappears. I can dip in mines with no lag.

nofd1977 · 11-17-2007, 05:49 PM

No lag on this 06 SI

reaper702 · 11-17-2007, 05:54 PM

no lag to speak of in my 06, well no noticable lag imo. my mom's 06 honda accord has lag like there is no ******* tomorrow though. it has dbw and **** is so slow, i can seriously quickly step on the gas and let go and the motor won't react until my foot is alread off the pedal.

Robare · 11-17-2007, 06:05 PM

Well my 06 SI was one of the earlier batches (2257) and even after the reflash it has a slight lag up over 4k rpm....I'm curious about the post's that said their 06 SI's had NO lag

....what VIN number...?

11-14-2007, 04:19 AM	#27 (permalink)
friedk Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 2,709 iTrader: 6 / 100%	Abarab is right. I've driven incredibly underpowered, manual, old, POS Saturns and Kias with cable throttles that have an immediate throttle response. It isn't the lack of torque. If those cars can respond when you press the throttle then so should ours. Tastycakes this isn't about hating on drive by wire. This is about hating on our car's LAG because of how our drive by wire is. There are plenty of drive by wire Hondas that don't have that stupid throttle lag we have and actually respond when the throttle is pressed. Last edited by friedk; 11-14-2007 at 05:09 AM.

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11-07-2007, 12:58 AM	#21 (permalink)
honda_man12 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Toronto, ON Age: 22 Posts: 1,056 iTrader: 4 / 100%	I notice the lag to be HORRIBLE when the car is cold...whenever I shift its like a 15 yr old trying to learn manual lol

11-09-2007, 06:17 PM	#23 (permalink)
*07k20z3ftw* I miss all the meets. Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Florida Age: 19 Posts: 3,403 Mitch iTrader: 9 / 100%	its not lag, we have low torque, get usto driving a honda.

11-14-2007, 03:58 AM	#26 (permalink)
Tastycakes Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: NW Suburbs of Chicago Age: 26 Posts: 2,993 Mike iTrader: 0 / 0%	Why is everyone hatin on the DBW? Course i'm sure ppl out there hated fuel injection when it first came. I seriously wouldnt' doubt if there were forums back then youd have a bunch of "fuel injection = lag" threads. Then there would be a thread on someone converted to a carb.

11-15-2007, 09:02 PM	#28 (permalink)
emopains Senior Member Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 3,352 iTrader: 0 / 0%	The lag in response was to make the vehicle more responsive at higher rpms because of it's low torque output. Some guy told me it makes it easier to drive. I don't know what he was talking about. I went with the hondata.

11-16-2007, 06:07 AM	#29 (permalink)
nunoctr Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Portugal (benfica) Posts: 175 iTrader: 0 / 0%	http://www.jdm-option.com/eng/parts/06_12/direct.html in other cars the same problem...

11-16-2007, 02:02 PM	#31 (permalink)
Dwn4nythng Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: SUP FOO! Posts: 2,611 NorCal Meet Organizer iTrader: 1 / 100%	Throw in some pulleys and some of that lag disappears. I can dip in mines with no lag.

11-17-2007, 05:49 PM	#32 (permalink)
nofd1977 Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: The N.O.L.A. BaBy! Posts: 289 iTrader: 3 / 100%	No lag on this 06 SI

11-17-2007, 05:54 PM	#33 (permalink)
reaper702 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Sin City Posts: 4,939 iTrader: 9 / 100%	no lag to speak of in my 06, well no noticable lag imo. my mom's 06 honda accord has lag like there is no ***** tomorrow though. it has dbw and ** is so slow, i can seriously quickly step on the gas and let go and the motor won't react until my foot is alread off the pedal.

11-17-2007, 06:05 PM	#34 (permalink)
Robare Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Northern Indiana Age: 40 Posts: 141 iTrader: 0 / 0%	Well my 06 SI was one of the earlier batches (2257) and even after the reflash it has a slight lag up over 4k rpm....I'm curious about the post's that said their 06 SI's had NO lag ....what VIN number...?