hondata...and kpro

[firmhonda]

Originally Posted by cation

That's BS... Hydra and COBB have systems for the Sti and it's drive by wire... shit... there is even open ECU programs for subies that are out... I bet that Hondata has something in the works, but they just don't want to speak of it...

...if they honestly don't have something in the works then they suck... because that is a BS excuse... period...

This has been cleared up a bit already

Originally Posted by firmhonda

It sounds like they are and have been working on hondata for the fg2/fa5, but it takes a lot of time. They also commented in another thread that the dbw throttle has little/nothing to do with coming up with a piggyback unit for tuning purposes.

It's not like it's just the fg2 that's hard to crack for good tuning capabilities.. anyone ever heard of a little car called an srt4? The ecu on that thing has just been fully cracked for the first time not too long ago. Before that you could get a million reflashes, build the motor and up the boost, etc.. but you couldn't do a full on tune on one. Srt4 owners are just lucky in the sense that Dodge knew that people were going to build the shit out of them and boost the shit out of them, so they left those parts of the factory tune pretty much wide open to tinker with.

[rkalloo]

Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 5:08 pm Post subject:

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No, there are no plans for additional reflashes for the Comptech kits. We are looking at other options, but there will not be a K-Pro.
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that was posted by SPUNKSTER, a hondata site admin...

Ummm do you think he is being tricky and just saying "k-pro" wont come out (meaning a tunable solution wont be called "k-pro") or is he really saying that there will be no tunable solution

[firmhonda]

I would say that since they have posted up the fact that they will not confirm any project that they are working on. If they had said "Yeah, we're working on k-pro" it would've been this huge thing where they were getting bugged day in and day out because people would've been waiting for it for so long. Easiest solution? Say it's not a possibility.

Why would Hondata have 2 si's if they didn't plan to come out with any tuning solution?

[rkalloo]

that was what i was getting at also i think for sure it willcome out just give it time,how long did k-pro take to come out for the rsx's

[TampaSi07]

Originally Posted by firmhonda

I would say that since they have posted up the fact that they will not confirm any project that they are working on. If they had said "Yeah, we're working on k-pro" it would've been this huge thing where they were getting bugged day in and day out because people would've been waiting for it for so long. Easiest solution? Say it's not a possibility.

Why would Hondata have 2 si's if they didn't plan to come out with any tuning solution?

Also, why would they admit to Kpro when they are selling so many reflashes? If Hondata said; "Kpro will be out in 6 months" their reflash business for the 06/07 Si would go in the toilet. Seems simple to me.

[freakvision03]

i dont know if this has already been mention but this was in the newest issue of import tuner.

If you're thinking this is a simple B16 swap in some Civic scenario-think again. Although most of the parts involved in making the k-series dream come true are straightforward (minus the header, which will be explained as we continue), the piggyback ECU setup, which requires two ECU's (factory ECU and Hondata K-Pro), is unique to the Fit swap and a necessary component for the dash, electronic power steering motor, and throttle body drive-by-wire-system to work. Communication with the car and ECU is CAN Bus and information for the dash and climate control is handled through this system. CAN is known as Controller Area Network and is found on many of the newer vehicles sold on the market today. While the factory ECU plays an integral part in controlling many of the factory features, the Fit harness was also modified by Hondata to fit the K20. Along with making the harness fit, the VTEC solenoid wiring and crank position sensor no. 2 wiring were added. With the unique feature of running two ECU's, the Fit ECU and K-pro unit were reflashed to run in a piggy-back configuration. The ECU was then modified to take the '06 Si input shaft speed sensor as the signal was converted to use the Fit ECU.



No, your eyes don't deceive you. There are two ECU's in the image above. The stock ECU is retained and used to monitor the engine and communicate to the dash. The factory ECU also has the responsibility of running the throttle control (Drive-by-wire). The main portion of the engine management is handled by a Hondata K-pro ECU.

Cliff notes:06+ Civic Si K-pro is in the near future (so be patient)

[blueroadster]

Few points to make...

Regarding swapping the ECM...It stores the immobilizer code as well as the vehicles VIN. Both of these would need to be modified when swapping ECMs. In addition, it is more difficult swaping the ECM into an early production 2006 model. For these, the ECM is also tied to the gauge cluster so that would need to be changed out as well to the newer cluster that Honda started to use later in the 2006 production run.

Regarding a programmable management system from Hondata...I know Hondata has a policy to not confirm or deny that K-Pro is in the works for the FG2. Common sense would say that they are though since they own two FG2's, have worked with Compech on a specific reflash for their supercharger kit, and also with AJP on their turbo kit. What all of this points to that Hondata is not ignoring the FG2. They are working with the tuners to find the best implementation to use for a programmable management system and are having to learn along the way as this car is different CAN being used between modules.

IMHO, all the excuses that I have heard about the delays in a programmable management system are rather lame...Specifically the DBW or the MAF excuses. Fact of the matter is that ECM is not the only control module in the car. There are several others that talk to the ECM via CAN that is something new that Hondata never had to deal with on previous models. Because of that, they not only have to learn about the ECM, but have to make sure that communications to other control modules on the car is done so correctly. Again IMHO, that is the real reason why it is taking them time as well as why the implementations seen thus far either retain the stock ECM to control primary functions whereas a piggy-back programmable control module is added to control secondary functions (i.e., those we care about from a tuning perspective).

To sum things up, I truely believe that Hondata will have a programmable management system out at some point. I'd rather it be sooner than later, but appreciate and understand them not wanting to elaborate or provide empty promises on an expected debut.

Comments?

[firmhonda]

^repped.

[Raging]

Originally Posted by freakvision03

Cliff notes:06+ Civic Si K-pro is in the near future (so be patient)

I'm sure AEM is also working on a stand-alone ECU (Honda gave them a car to do R&D from day one).... AEM, and Hondata both stand to make real cash!!

[King Bob]

Originally Posted by blueroadster

To sum things up, I truely believe that Hondata will have a programmable management system out at some point. I'd rather it be sooner than later, but appreciate and understand them not wanting to elaborate or provide empty promises on an expected debut.

Comments?

Yeah, I guess their only other option is to keep us updated and catch all kinds of hell like redshift does anytime they run into problems and delays. Can't blame them but it's still very frustrating.

[King Bob]

in case anyone had any doubts left

here is the top 50 best selling items from corsport items from corsport, hope tai dosent mind, notice our cars fill all but 2 spots and the ones we dont are universal and most likely purchased for 8th gens. The market for a tunable ecu is there.

01. 06 Civic CorSport Aluminum Shifter Cable Bushings
02. 06+ Civic Si P2R Throttle Body Gasket
03. 06+ Civic Progress Rear Sway Bar
04. 06+ Civic Si Injen MR Cold Air Intake
05. 06+ Civic CorSport Endlinks v2
06. 06+ Civic Si DC Sports Race Header
07. 06+ Civic Skunk2 Rear Camber Arms
08. 06+ Civic CorSport Rear Lower Tie Bar
09. 06+ Civic SPC Front Camber Bolts
10. 06+ Civic CorSport Front Lower Tie Bar
11. HAMP Oil Filter
12. 06+ Civic Injen MR Cold Air Intake
13. 06+ Civic Si Ingalls "Stiffy" Engine Torque Dampener
14. 06+ Civic Si P2R Throttle Body Spacer
15. 07+ Civic CorSport Aluminum Shifter Cable Bushings
16. 06+ Civic SPC Rear Camber Arms
17. 06+ Civic Carbing Strut Tower Bar
18. 06+ Civic Si CorSport Intake Manifold Heat Gasket
19. 06+ Civic Eibach Sportline Lowering Springs
20. 06+ Civic Coupe Lamin-X Fog Light Protective Film
21. 06+ Civic CorSport Stainless Steel Brake Lines
22. 06+ Civic Ingalls Front Camber Kit
23. 06+ Civic Si Injen MR Short Ram Air Intake
24. 06+ Civic CorSport Lower H Brace
25. 06+ Civic Si Coupe Vibrant Streetpower Cat Back Exhaust
26. 06+ Civic Si Hawk HPS Front Brake Pads
27. 06+ Civic Tein S-Tech Lowering Springs
28. 06+ Civic Si Skunk2 MegaPower R Catback Exhaust 70mm
29. 06+ Civic Tanabe Front 4-Point Under Brace
30. 06+ Civic Si Skunk2 Lowering Springs
31. 06+ Civic Si Fujita Short Ram Intake Package
32. 06+ Civic Si Samco Silicone Radiator Hose Kit (3 Pieces)
33. 06+ Civic Progress Sport Springs
34. 06+ Civic Si Hawk HPS Rear Brake Pads
35. 06+ Civic Si Greddy Evo2 Exhaust
36. Honda FD2 JDM CTR Shift Knob (6 Speed)
37. 06+ Civic Eibach Pro Kit Springs
38. 06+ Civic Si A'PEXi N1 Catback Exhaust
39. 06+ Civic Coupe Lamin-X Taillight Protective Film
40. 06+ Civic Si AEM Cold Air Intake
41. 06+ Civic Coupe Lamin-X Headlight Protective Film
42. 06+ Civic Progress Rear Sway Bar
43. 06+ Civic Si DC Sports Race Exhaust
44. 06+ Civic Sedan Hawk HPS Front Brake Pads
45. 06+ Civic Si Buddy Club Racing Spec Header
46. 06+ Civic Si Skunk2 MegaPower Catback Exhaust 60mm
47. 06+ Civic CorSport Battery Tie Down
48. 06+ Civic Coupe CorSport Side Window Deflectors
49. 06+ Civic Coupe Hawk HPS Front Brake Pads
50. 06+ Civic Sedan Lamin-X Fog Light Protective Film

[enter801]

Yeah its crap... they will eventually make it, even if its 2 years out. All honda's in the future will/do have all of the features that they say make it too hard to develop a K-Pro type ems for the 06+ si. So if they want to stay in business, they will be developing some sort of product. I imagine it will be similar to the 06 rsx where they have to use an older ecu or something like that.

[k20z3_pwr]

on dragraceinc.com you can buy it for a 01-06 civic type-r so iono

[k20z3_pwr]

why do they make a muther******* k-pro for a ******* honda element and not fg2's or fd2's...******** idiots

[k20z3_pwr]

then again gives a chance for AEM to have a major breakthrough with plug & play system........

[iomatic]

Originally Posted by k20z3_pwr

why do they make a muther******* k-pro for a ******* honda element and not fg2's or fd2's...******** idiots

Wow. Don't sell them too hard on making it...

[k20z3_pwr]

Originally Posted by iomatic

Wow. Don't sell them too hard on making it...

ima post the same thing on their own forums

[Dwn4nythng]

Patience is a virtue. Everything doesn't come out quick for new cars. We should be glad that we have so much stuff to choose from right now. Some of the other new cars don't have squat to put on and if they do have stuff, its weak stuff. People who have been modding cars their whole lives know, good things come to those who wait. I'll give you one good example, the Saturn Redline don't have squat as in modding. All you guys are complaining about everything we have to choose from? We got tons of stuff to choose from. Every company did a good job in releasing their products pretty quick. People who don't wait, ALWAYS pay more. People are never satisfied.

[robinsonda1]

What is K-pro?

[CaliGuy]

Originally Posted by Dwn4nythng

Patience is a virtue. Everything doesn't come out quick for new cars. We should be glad that we have so much stuff to choose from right now. Some of the other new cars don't have squat to put on and if they do have stuff, its weak stuff. People who have been modding cars their whole lives know, good things come to those who wait. I'll give you one good example, the Saturn Redline don't have squat as in modding. All you guys are complaining about everything we have to choose from? We got tons of stuff to choose from. Every company did a good job in releasing their products pretty quick. People who don't wait, ALWAYS pay more. People are never satisfied.

Word

This man speaks the truth! Also, to the person that questioned why the Element has kpro and not us: The Element has been out for much longer so Hondata has had a chance to develop it...