Stage 2 CAMS!!!

carter21 · 01-31-2007, 06:59 PM

Hey everyone. I just purchased BC stage 2 cams, Titainium valve springs and retainers!! WOOT! However, I really need to know something! Only answer if you know! Do I need to remove the head in order to install all this or can it stay on the block!????

carter21 · 01-31-2007, 07:04 PM

SOMEONE!!!??? ANYONE!!??? I'm dying over here!!

**CaliGuy** · 01-31-2007, 07:06 PM

I know to do the cams you do not have to remove the head...as far as springs and retainers IDK...I don;t have my manual with me right now, but I'll check later...

carter21 · 01-31-2007, 07:25 PM

okay so the head doesn't have to be removed to do the cams. Does it need to be removed to do the valve springs and retainers??????? Everyone consult your manuels and lets figure this out!! CALLING ALL K20z3 GURUS!!! HELP!?!?

armandokn3 · 01-31-2007, 07:29 PM

^No you don't, but make sure that the person doing the cams swap knows what he's doing and have the right tools to do the spring and retainers.

DATA02 · 01-31-2007, 07:32 PM

yea... Wish I could afford IPS... Good luck with the install. Make sure to take lots of pics

carter21 · 01-31-2007, 07:34 PM

REALLY! AWESOME!! I hope you guys really know for a fact though??? However, I really appreciate it! Also Where is the link to the IPS? I got Brian Crower Cams!

Quicksi86 · 01-31-2007, 07:35 PM

Good luck with the install!! I wish the cams were tunable

I do have brand new Skunk2 Stage 2 Cams and Valve Springs sitting in my room. I might just sell them because I might sell my car!

DATA02 · 01-31-2007, 07:44 PM

Also Where is the link to the IPS? I got Brian Crower Cams![/quote]

http://www.intrinsicperformance.com/products.html

carter21 · 01-31-2007, 07:51 PM

Well, guys I talk to brian Crower and he said the Reflash isn't extremly important he said the stock ecu would adapt to the cams.

bubbletop1961 · 01-31-2007, 11:05 PM

You can change the springs. With the cams out the valves should be closed. Then with the adaptor from a compression tester, hook your air compressor to that. Shouldnt need alot of pressure. The air pressure will hold the valves closed while you have the retainers and springs off. Then put the new ones on. Also for a saftey measure, make sure the cylinder you are working on, the piston is at top dead center. Then if you do knock the valve down it wont fall into the cyinder. It will just sit atop the piston and wont fall to far.

***[IVI]*** · 01-31-2007, 11:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by carter21

okay so the head doesn't have to be removed to do the cams. Does it need to be removed to do the valve springs and retainers??????? Everyone consult your manuels and lets figure this out!! CALLING ALL K20z3 GURUS!!! HELP!?!?

Geez, what drug are you on right now? I hope you're not planning on doing this yourself.

MADDOGSI · 01-31-2007, 11:30 PM

Carter21.
You dont have to remove the head for the cam and spring change.To do the spring change you will need a spring compressor.You will have to do one cylinder at a time.The engine must be set to Top dead center on the cylinder you are changing the valves on.this way the valves will drop down and stop on the piston.this will keep the valves in place.With the right tools and good mechanical knowledge a person can do it their-self.

MADDOGSI · 01-31-2007, 11:47 PM

pressurizing the cylinder works if a guy can keep the engine from rolling over from the air pressure pushing the piston back down.To keep the engine from turning over the rod has to be perfectly straight up and down in the cylinder.This is sometimes hard to get right on. So you either have to lock the engine with a turning tool on the crank or in gear and the brakes applied.
SO if the piston is down and air pressure is all that is holding the valves up,if you unseat the valve trying to get the spring and retainer back on the valve will drop and fall down in the cylinder.At that point your FUBAR and the head must come off.
The easiest way is to stick a long screw driver in the spark plug hole and turn the engine over until you see it come all the way up and start to go back down.then back it up at the exact up to down point and done.The pistons dome in the K20z3 comes right up in the chamber in the head very close to the valves,so the valve will only drop down a small amount.NO need to mess with pressurizing the cylinder.

Toxis · 02-01-2007, 12:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by carter21

SOMEONE!!!??? ANYONE!!??? I'm dying over here!!

couldn't wait 5 minutes? wow, how active do you think this site is???

06civSi · 02-01-2007, 10:10 AM

but to use the proper spring compressor dont u have to compress the spring by putting the one side on the valve face and the other on the top of the spring meaning you would have to remove the head?

carter21 · 02-01-2007, 12:56 PM

Thanks so far you guys have been really helpfull. I am also quite curious about "06civsi" question?

06civSi · 02-01-2007, 01:01 PM

well the only spring compressor i have used is like a C clamp, it goes around the head and on side goes on the valve face and the other sits on top of the valve spring. then u clamp it down and it compresses the spring so that the retainer can be removed and boom, out comes the spring.

unless there is an easier way without taking the head off. i would love to hear it because obviously it would make installation a hell of a lot easier not having to remove the whole head.

blackhawk black si · 02-01-2007, 01:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by carter21

REALLY! AWESOME!! I hope you guys really know for a fact though??? However, I really appreciate it! Also Where is the link to the IPS? I got Brian Crower Cams!

IPS closed there doors i heard Ron is going wholesale distrubutor now.

carter21 · 02-01-2007, 02:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 06civSi

well the only spring compressor i have used is like a C clamp, it goes around the head and on side goes on the valve face and the other sits on top of the valve spring. then u clamp it down and it compresses the spring so that the retainer can be removed and boom, out comes the spring.

unless there is an easier way without taking the head off. i would love to hear it because obviously it would make installation a hell of a lot easier not having to remove the whole head.

Can someone answer this?

01-31-2007, 06:59 PM	#1 (permalink)
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carter21 Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: San Diego Posts: 336 iTrader: 4 / 100%	okay so the head doesn't have to be removed to do the cams. Does it need to be removed to do the valve springs and retainers??????? Everyone consult your manuels and lets figure this out!! CALLING ALL K20z3 GURUS!!! HELP!?!?

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carter21 Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: San Diego Posts: 336 iTrader: 4 / 100%	REALLY! AWESOME!! I hope you guys really know for a fact though??? However, I really appreciate it! Also Where is the link to the IPS? I got Brian Crower Cams!

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Quicksi86 Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: So Cal Posts: 52 iTrader: 1 / 100%	Good luck with the install!! I wish the cams were tunable I do have brand new Skunk2 Stage 2 Cams and Valve Springs sitting in my room. I might just sell them because I might sell my car!

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DATA02 Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 353 iTrader: 0 / 0%	Also Where is the link to the IPS? I got Brian Crower Cams![/quote] http://www.intrinsicperformance.com/products.html

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carter21 Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: San Diego Posts: 336 iTrader: 4 / 100%	Well, guys I talk to brian Crower and he said the Reflash isn't extremly important he said the stock ecu would adapt to the cams.

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bubbletop1961 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: topeka, ks Age: 33 Posts: 226 brian iTrader: 1 / 100%	You can change the springs. With the cams out the valves should be closed. Then with the adaptor from a compression tester, hook your air compressor to that. Shouldnt need alot of pressure. The air pressure will hold the valves closed while you have the retainers and springs off. Then put the new ones on. Also for a saftey measure, make sure the cylinder you are working on, the piston is at top dead center. Then if you do knock the valve down it wont fall into the cyinder. It will just sit atop the piston and wont fall to far.

01-31-2007, 11:30 PM	#13 (permalink)
MADDOGSI Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Derby Ks. Age: 32 Posts: 436 Scotty iTrader: 3 / 100%	Carter21. You dont have to remove the head for the cam and spring change.To do the spring change you will need a spring compressor.You will have to do one cylinder at a time.The engine must be set to Top dead center on the cylinder you are changing the valves on.this way the valves will drop down and stop on the piston.this will keep the valves in place.With the right tools and good mechanical knowledge a person can do it their-self.

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MADDOGSI Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Derby Ks. Age: 32 Posts: 436 Scotty iTrader: 3 / 100%	pressurizing the cylinder works if a guy can keep the engine from rolling over from the air pressure pushing the piston back down.To keep the engine from turning over the rod has to be perfectly straight up and down in the cylinder.This is sometimes hard to get right on. So you either have to lock the engine with a turning tool on the crank or in gear and the brakes applied. SO if the piston is down and air pressure is all that is holding the valves up,if you unseat the valve trying to get the spring and retainer back on the valve will drop and fall down in the cylinder.At that point your FUBAR and the head must come off. The easiest way is to stick a long screw driver in the spark plug hole and turn the engine over until you see it come all the way up and start to go back down.then back it up at the exact up to down point and done.The pistons dome in the K20z3 comes right up in the chamber in the head very close to the valves,so the valve will only drop down a small amount.NO need to mess with pressurizing the cylinder.

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06civSi Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 500 iTrader: 2 / 100%	but to use the proper spring compressor dont u have to compress the spring by putting the one side on the valve face and the other on the top of the spring meaning you would have to remove the head?

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carter21 Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: San Diego Posts: 336 iTrader: 4 / 100%	Thanks so far you guys have been really helpfull. I am also quite curious about "06civsi" question?

02-01-2007, 01:01 PM	#18 (permalink)
06civSi Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 500 iTrader: 2 / 100%	well the only spring compressor i have used is like a C clamp, it goes around the head and on side goes on the valve face and the other sits on top of the valve spring. then u clamp it down and it compresses the spring so that the retainer can be removed and boom, out comes the spring. unless there is an easier way without taking the head off. i would love to hear it because obviously it would make installation a hell of a lot easier not having to remove the whole head.