tuning the stock ECU. Possible?

[nunoctr]

Hi

The new FD2 civic type R (JDM) have the same type of ECU as the Honda Civic SI (USA) and the FN2 type R (euro): E-trotle, Can (only diference is the MAF).

And there is no "Kpro" for the FD2 also.

there is a company in Singapore that makes this for the FD2 ECU:

Whatever he can see on the stock ECU that can be adjusted he can adjust, i.e. ignition timing advance/retard, e-throttle advance, fuel maps, remove speed-cut to show actual speed on speedo, shift VTEC RPM activation earlier or later, etc, etc....whatever the stock ECU can control and he can see he on his laptop screen he will be able to adjust. He can tune according to aftermarket exhaust, headers, aftrmkt air-box, etc...

If after the reflash and you need after-sales service like shifting VTEC RPM activation, etc, etc, he says he will not likely charge...unless its a major change in settings he may charge anything up to S$200.00max.

He can disable the CEL on the CTR but he prefers not to as it would mean sensor will be turned off and if a real situation happens, you will not likely know there is a real problem, but depending on the issue of the CEL, he has some solutions to offer such as a physical CEL "canceller".

Before he starts any work on your stock ECU, he will make a copy of the base map and stats from the stock ECU and keep for you. In case you want to revert everything back to stock, he will reflash back the stock maps & settings.

Now for the best part...he will retain the stock immobiliser on the stock ECU. He will not disable it.

Video:

YouTube - Civic FD2R Ultimate Tuning Video

WTF! so can we do this or not?!

[c130turboprop]

well, when i read the threads name and clicked to open it, i was just gonna ultimatly say NO!!!!!!!! and laugh at you, but then i read the thread and watched the video and was like, wow!!!!!! so i'm in for more info, lol....

[Nomar06]

basically like the Hondata reflash but more custom. I guess Hondata could change what the reflash would be but they set it to a safe limit IMO. Im sure the JDM ECU and our ECUs are prob different as well.

[redline8500]

can we just buy a fd2 ecu?

[redline8500]

Originally Posted by Nomar06

basically like the Hondata reflash but more custom. I guess Hondata could change what the reflash would be but they set it to a safe limit IMO. Im sure the JDM ECU and our ECUs are prob different as well.

dude i dont know about you but im sick of hondata to me they suck

[Nomar06]

Originally Posted by redline8500

can we just buy a fd2 ecu?

prob could but then you have to hack into it so it can work with out TB and the MAF.

Originally Posted by redline8500

dude i dont know about you but im sick of hondata to me they suck

lol....we shall see what after SEMA.

[nunoctr]

The ECU is the same. All the new honda ECU's are buit the same way.

I Think this is a resflash like hondata does. But hondata make only one NA reflash.

So it's "easy" to make a reflash by the OBII CAN port !!

This guys in singapore are making a diferent reflash to every car, so it's like Kpro but with tuning made by the tuning company and not from the owner of the car.

I think this is the problem with hondata now.

If they "sell" to the public the machine (or the "formula") to tune the OEM ECU (they have this for very long time...) someone will reflash many ECU's and they have lost the reflash market.

So this (my opinion) is why hondata is not going to release a "kpro" for k20z3/4.

[Whocares05050]

Very interesting..

[redline8500]

Originally Posted by Nomar06

prob could but then you have to hack into it so it can work with out TB and the MAF.



lol....we shall see what after SEMA.

if we have a fd2 ecu we wont need a maf and for the tb just get a rsx

[Blacklespaul]

Cool, I hope someone gives us a real product
instead of the overpriced hondata reflash
that truly isnt worth more than 150 bucks... the price
they charge is nothing short of a
total insult.

We need the power to program our own **** all ready, and not
having to send the ECU to a company who just want
to keep the market cornered to perpetuate their own massive
price gouging while they can... heh hopefully someday.

[Whocares05050]

Originally Posted by Blacklespaul

Cool, I hope someone gives us a real product
instead of the overpriced hondata reflash
that truly isnt worth more than 150 bucks... the price
they charge is nothing short of a
total insult.

We need the power to program our own **** all ready, and not
having to send the ECU to a company who just want
to keep the market cornered to perpetuate their own massive
price gouging while they can... heh hopefully someday.

[rkalloo]

if u guys were hondata..a business.........whats a business' purpose? thats right. make money...

so if u guys were hondata, wouldn't you do the same thing?
not defending hondata or anything just pointing out that they are only trying to maximize their profits

[Whocares05050]

Originally Posted by rkalloo

if u guys were hondata..a business.........whats a business' purpose? thats right. make money...

so if u guys were hondata, wouldn't you do the same thing?
not defending hondata or anything just pointing out that they are only trying to maximize their profits

They WOULD maximize there profits by selling an 1100 dollar KPRO for our car.

[nunoctr]

I think that the kpro market is going smaller (the Honda and acura models EP3DC5 and RSX are getting old) and there are many kpro installed allready.

So if the other big market of hondata (honda SI, euro Fn2 and JDM FD2) whould not buy the reflash...?

They had to make something new!

But they are selling reflash. Good numbers.

so no "kpro" for honda SI, euro Fn2 and JDM FD2i...

[borabora1989]

Yeah that ^

[beast14]

^ very well put

[mitsukaiSI]

Originally Posted by nunoctr

I think that the kpro market is going smaller (the Honda and acura models EP3DC5 and RSX are getting old) and there are many kpro installed allready.

So if the other big market of hondata (honda SI, euro Fn2 and JDM FD2) whould not buy the reflash...?

They had to make something new!

But they are selling reflash. Good numbers.

so no "kpro" for honda SI, euro Fn2 and JDM FD2i...

sorry but this will NEVER be the case . . . b series are WAY older and they are still swapped in to TONS of cars and the k is the same way so ONTOP of ep3, dc5, and rsx you also have all the tuners out there who want k series in their eg's ek's and ej's and there will never be a lack of swappers

[nunoctr]

and can give other example.

hondata have a australian friend company: home

This company is selling many parts for the FN2 (almost the same as the USA SI) and a CAI with no MAF sensor.

They posted this few months ago:

We don’t run a MAF sensor because we have the ability to solely tune on MAP.. the way a Honda engine should be tuned with our ECU, this allows us to run any setup we like.

How? With hondata help!

hondata don't sell this... to the owners of the cars.

So do you believe hondata. I don't

[redline8500]

I dont like hondata there trying to monopolize the tuning market and its not going to happen

where theres a will theres a way

[SIg]

that video was amazing, seeing the needle hit 9,500 was pure sex. i wish we could get something like this....any more info on it?