stock air box is going back on...

**rippars** · 07-02-2006, 10:49 PM

its not that i dont hate my aem cai, it just that i want to have piece of mind while driving my new civic. i love my cai and the way it growls, not ricey like others. got heads to turn and look and got alot of compliments about how nice it sounds, like today i went to the dealship today to show somethings they need to fix (wiper blade knock in to each other, and they need to change something on my passenger side interior door panel) but a salesman was showing a white fg1 coupe to a father and son and the son became more interested in the car as i rcame down the main road at about 4000 rpms where the car really growls, and stood and drooled over the nice drop the hfp suspension gave it as i rolled by on the lot. i do have have the extended warranty and i just dont want through the hassle if something goes worng with the engine and they wont fix it. not sure what im going to do with it when it comes off, might keep it for later or you might see it for sale and might get a new aem or try the injen cai...

sorry for the long post but if there are any takers PM me or you just might see it on the for sale listings...

haroman311 · 07-03-2006, 01:13 AM

keep the intake on. if something breaks in the motor,they cant do crap, unless they can prove the intake is what caused the problem, if not, then they cant do anything about it.

07-03-2006, 01:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by haroman311

keep the intake on. if something breaks in the motor,they cant do crap, unless they can prove the intake is what caused the problem, if not, then they cant do anything about it.

warranty will be voided i already read the manual and spoke to a salesman..if you add any aftermarket parts your screwed enjoy!!! .. but what you do is..if something happens just put your stock ones back on clean up the engine so it doesnt look like you tampered with the manifold and you should be good to go!

J-StarR · 07-03-2006, 02:13 AM

I guess it's just dealer specific. I asked my dealership if they were ok with the simple bolt-ons and they said it was alright. The salesperson even said that he had a modified Intergra Type R so he knows where I'm coming from.

larryd · 07-03-2006, 02:21 AM

It is very dealer specific and really how your relationship is with that dealer. Ultimately the law says they can not deny warranty claim unless they can prove your aftermarket parts caused whatever the issue at hand is but in honesty its a real pain in the ass to get them to cover anything when they have the simple excuse of "your modified"

Scourge · 07-03-2006, 02:27 AM

They can say that your CAI sucked something into the engine damaging it... Like water/sand...

esquesk · 07-03-2006, 04:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Scourge

They can say that your CAI sucked something into the engine damaging it... Like water/sand...

they can't just say that . they have to prove it

Skyline4life · 07-03-2006, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by larryd

It is very dealer specific and really how your relationship is with that dealer.

lol the only way, I'm probly first on the list of getting a black Si at my dealership is because the guy who owns that dealership also owns the lexus dealership my parents bought there lexus, and where close friends with him. So he called the Gm at the honda dealership and told them i was coming in and i got the star treatment

so i'm guessing if i did add anything they will still cover me lol..I hope.

btw-Can anyone find me that artical/law or what ever that says they can't deny you for having aftermarekt parts on your car for warranty.

tygerSI33 · 07-03-2006, 09:41 AM

rippars pm'd you.

tygerSI33 · 07-03-2006, 09:43 AM

I agree with larryd. My dealership and I have a great relationship. They seem to work with me on anything related to my si.

haroman311 · 07-03-2006, 01:25 PM

ive known guys who blew motors , and they had cam gears, and the dealer said the aftermarket cam gears blew the motor. but ive known other guys who have had mods on their cars, and dealer didnt void warranty when problems happened. they cant void anything unless they can prove it caused it. but hten again it is dealer selective. i work for toyota, a moded late model, dunno what year, but mr-s came in with mods, and it needed warranty work on the motor, and service wasnt denied. really depends on the dealer, and the dealer i was at, the owners/managers were cool about it, knowing the mods didnt cause the problem

RedSIinPA · 07-03-2006, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Skyline4life

btw-Can anyone find me that artical/law or what ever that says they can't deny you for having aftermarekt parts on your car for warranty.

Google "Magnuson-Moss Act" and you'll have enough to read for the rest of the day. This act was put into place to protect the aftermarket parts industry and does put the burden on the manufacturer/dealer to prove a part is responsible for a defect. Like everyone said, it really does depend on the dealer you use and the relationship you have with them. There are laws that protect us, but it doesn't prevent you from being hassled anyway, which is why I tend to lean away from mods that can cause problems. I have neither the time or the patience to battle it out w/ dealers over this kind of thing.

NoBottleJustThrottle · 07-03-2006, 02:07 PM

A CAI wont kill your motor unless you are just straight not thinking in bad conditions. You see a big puddle? Drive around it. Cant drive around it? Put your clutch in, and coast through the puddle. Cant coast through because there is a stop sign or something on the other end? Find a different route.
I have been driving cars with CAI since I was 16, all of them slammed to the ground. Seriously, 2.5-3inches off the ground with my lowest car. I have driven those cars through serious storms, and floods. I have never had an issue. You just have to pay attention. Of course you are going to have issues if you think you can drive your car like normal. Drive through a big puddle and you will hydrolock if the water is high enough.
Remember, you have to have the CAI filter partially submerged in a puddle for you to hydrolock. Realistically lookat your car, and where the filter is. Its not that close to the ground. What are you doing driving through puddles that deep in the first place?
About your warentee? Like said, they cant void it unless they can prove that it was the aftermarket part that caused the problem...its the law. If you do something stupid, before going to the dealership, put the stock parts back on. Its not that hard. If you had someone put it on, do yourself a favor...go to Sears, get some craftsman tools (all you will need is a flathead, philips, and a 10mm socket wrench) and learn to do things yourself. Its so easy to work on these cars its almost silly. If you are going to go this route, be sure to take aftermarket parts off before going to the dealership even for a simple oil change. They will put down in their computers that you have mods done to your car even for something as simple as an oil change.
My 2001 civic had a K20A2 swapped in and I still had my warentee. Just not for anything on the motor.

Sam388 · 07-03-2006, 02:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JustaCivic

warranty will be voided i already read the manual and spoke to a salesman..if you add any aftermarket parts your screwed enjoy!!! .. but what you do is..if something happens just put your stock ones back on clean up the engine so it doesnt look like you tampered with the manifold and you should be good to go!

That's incorrect. Unless the modification caused the OEM part to fail it is covered. Period! The Magnusson-Moss act clearly states this.

**rippars** · 07-03-2006, 06:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RedSIinPA

Like everyone said, it really does depend on the dealer you use and the relationship you have with them. There are laws that protect us, but it doesn't prevent you from being hassled anyway, which is why I tend to lean away from mods that can cause problems. I have neither the time or the patience to battle it out w/ dealers over this kind of thing.

i think i have a great relationship with the dealer got them a couple more sales too... even the gm came out when i picked it up and talk about how he had the nbp ex coupe with leather. if one the biggest one of the biggest dealships in the dc area, i had a problem with the interior door panel being discolored (due to some type of glue and when they were detailing it with the combination of armor all and the sun made it discolored) got a "we owe" ticket written out for it but they wanted to try everything to get it out before ordering a new part and replacing it. my salesman even told me out of his own mouth they try to keep their budget on a tight leash for that type of stuff.

**rippars** · 07-03-2006, 06:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NoBottleJustThrottle

They will put down in their computers that you have mods done to your car even for something as simple as an oil change.

i do have the extended warranty and if come with free oil changes. i would would be at the dealer getting my oil changed at least 3 to 4 times a year. i was thinking yea i have a cai but its not the reason why the car it here it for the oil change, but i know they would take note of it just in case it did come in for engine problems and say i did have a cai and i just swapped it out before i brought it there. i really dont want to go through that hassle! and who would want to have to worry about doing oil changes for the next six years if its going to be done for free? and spending 2-3 hours to swap it out and spend another 2-3 hours putting it back on is just plain crazy!

NoBottleJustThrottle · 07-03-2006, 06:51 PM

trust me, do it a few times and it wont take NEARLY that long to do.

**rippars** · 07-03-2006, 06:57 PM

yea i bet i would become easier if you do it often. but i do recall skittles talking about a drop in filter from spoon but im not sure how much better that would be compare to a plain old regular filter... anyone?

RedSIinPA · 07-03-2006, 11:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rippars

yea i bet i would become easier if you do it often. but i do recall skittles talking about a drop in filter from spoon but im not sure how much better that would be compare to a plain old regular filter... anyone?

i don't think he was saying that the filter was made by Spoon. What he said was Spoon's setups utilize the stock airboxes and use aftermarket dropin's, such as a K&N. You'd probably see the tiniest of increases but i think it's a good alternative to an aftermarket intake.

taejinah · 07-04-2006, 03:01 AM

Why do people whine so much about hydrolock? Just don't drive through a fuken massive puddle, simple.

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haroman311 Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 46 iTrader: 0 / 0%	keep the intake on. if something breaks in the motor,they cant do crap, unless they can prove the intake is what caused the problem, if not, then they cant do anything about it.

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larryd Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Delaware Posts: 1,815 iTrader: 2 / 100%	It is very dealer specific and really how your relationship is with that dealer. Ultimately the law says they can not deny warranty claim unless they can prove your aftermarket parts caused whatever the issue at hand is but in honesty its a real pain in the ass to get them to cover anything when they have the simple excuse of "your modified"

07-03-2006, 02:27 AM	#6 (permalink)
Scourge Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 312 iTrader: 0 / 0%	They can say that your CAI sucked something into the engine damaging it... Like water/sand...

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tygerSI33 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Mansfield,OH Age: 45 Posts: 460 iTrader: 0 / 0%	rippars pm'd you.

07-03-2006, 09:43 AM	#10 (permalink)
tygerSI33 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Mansfield,OH Age: 45 Posts: 460 iTrader: 0 / 0%	I agree with larryd. My dealership and I have a great relationship. They seem to work with me on anything related to my si.

07-03-2006, 01:25 PM	#11 (permalink)
haroman311 Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 46 iTrader: 0 / 0%	ive known guys who blew motors , and they had cam gears, and the dealer said the aftermarket cam gears blew the motor. but ive known other guys who have had mods on their cars, and dealer didnt void warranty when problems happened. they cant void anything unless they can prove it caused it. but hten again it is dealer selective. i work for toyota, a moded late model, dunno what year, but mr-s came in with mods, and it needed warranty work on the motor, and service wasnt denied. really depends on the dealer, and the dealer i was at, the owners/managers were cool about it, knowing the mods didnt cause the problem

07-03-2006, 02:07 PM	#13 (permalink)
NoBottleJustThrottle Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Sac / Santa Cruz, CA Age: 25 Posts: 322 iTrader: 0 / 0%	A CAI wont kill your motor unless you are just straight not thinking in bad conditions. You see a big puddle? Drive around it. Cant drive around it? Put your clutch in, and coast through the puddle. Cant coast through because there is a stop sign or something on the other end? Find a different route. I have been driving cars with CAI since I was 16, all of them slammed to the ground. Seriously, 2.5-3inches off the ground with my lowest car. I have driven those cars through serious storms, and floods. I have never had an issue. You just have to pay attention. Of course you are going to have issues if you think you can drive your car like normal. Drive through a big puddle and you will hydrolock if the water is high enough. Remember, you have to have the CAI filter partially submerged in a puddle for you to hydrolock. Realistically lookat your car, and where the filter is. Its not that close to the ground. What are you doing driving through puddles that deep in the first place? About your warentee? Like said, they cant void it unless they can prove that it was the aftermarket part that caused the problem...its the law. If you do something stupid, before going to the dealership, put the stock parts back on. Its not that hard. If you had someone put it on, do yourself a favor...go to Sears, get some craftsman tools (all you will need is a flathead, philips, and a 10mm socket wrench) and learn to do things yourself. Its so easy to work on these cars its almost silly. If you are going to go this route, be sure to take aftermarket parts off before going to the dealership even for a simple oil change. They will put down in their computers that you have mods done to your car even for something as simple as an oil change. My 2001 civic had a K20A2 swapped in and I still had my warentee. Just not for anything on the motor.

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NoBottleJustThrottle Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Sac / Santa Cruz, CA Age: 25 Posts: 322 iTrader: 0 / 0%	trust me, do it a few times and it wont take NEARLY that long to do.

07-04-2006, 03:01 AM	#20 (permalink)
taejinah Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 401 iTrader: 0 / 0%	Why do people whine so much about hydrolock? Just don't drive through a fuken massive puddle, simple.

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