Scion xA beats FA5 Si on a 1/8 mile Race

[firmhonda]

It's not that anyone is "dissing" the si, it's that people are recognizing it for what it is. It's a great daily driver that has some kick to it, but it's by no means a race car in stock form. Don't take it personally or anything, but that's how I feel.

The scion was modified to race in various different ways, if you want the si to be able to compete I would suggest doing the same thing.. Especially since 99% of the members here could learn something about driving by running in time trials (myself included) as stated by our new member up above.

[07Nighthawkbp]

Yeah i guess im not gonna lie sometimes i crave more power from Nighthawk im waiting for comptech ss stage two and kpro like many other members on here

[HTX]

something to keep in mind is fast/slow are a lot of the time just opinion's. There are ppl that just have rediculous standards to be considered fast these are also often times the ppl that call everything slow. Theres dumbass ppl everywhere so its not any one group being worse than the others(ex scion vs. honda or anything else really). I dunno about autox'ing an 08+ xb those things are tall. wait is it the xd or xb? They got both now but still that looks like last thing they would be good at. What i dont like is it seemed like the scion's were trying to be portayed as stock when they werent. You should put more info in the description on your car and who u were running to help clear things up. People will ge the wrong idea if there no modlist which everybody will call bullshit and a youtube argument erupts.

[jeremyxa]

Well I myself am an xA driver. Justin is my friend. I drive an 06 xA RS3..

One thing that I know and agree on is that it is based on how the driver drives and sure you have some modifications done but it depends on how you drive.

For example. I was racing a cobalt ss. I knew he would have won. I knew he had all the potential to wipe me up. BUT i raced anyway. I won. the reason why is because he didnt know how to shift correctly. He decided to go straight through and not down shifting to get more power. So its based on the driver not on the car.

Sure, my car has a few modifications.. nothing like justin's, but I've seen him drive, and this cat knows how to drive.

Talking about the xb's for autocrossing.. My friend has a box and she autocrosses.. its tall but shes dropped on like 14's i think. She gets up there in the charts.

[achilles225]

Originally Posted by HTX

something to keep in mind is fast/slow are a lot of the time just opinion's. There are ppl that just have rediculous standards to be considered fast these are also often times the ppl that call everything slow. Theres dumbass ppl everywhere so its not any one group being worse than the others(ex scion vs. honda or anything else really). I dunno about autox'ing an 08+ xb those things are tall. wait is it the xd or xb they got both now but still that looks like last thing they would be good at. What i dont like is it seemed like the scion's were trying to be portayed as stock when they werent. You should put more info in the description on your car and who u were running to help clear things up. People will ge the wrong idea if there no modlist which everybody will call bullshit and a youtube argument erupts.

[Blown_xa]

Originally Posted by firmhonda

Hey bud, thanks for signing up. I think that might have been one of the greatest first posts in the history of this forum. Please ignore the people that just can't get over themselves long enough to respect another make/model. I'm sure that you have them over @ scionlife and we have them here, but more importantly we have a lot of true enthusiasts that respect what you've done.

Anyways, it's always great to have another enthusiast as a member and I hope that you'll consider sticking around. You'll find that there are actually quite a few non 8th gen owning members here, myself being one of them.

hey no problem, I didnt sign up to start crap, I signed up to post and clarify what I'm all about.

Now as far as my car goes (because a few asked):

in stock form it is 2340lbs, puts down 86whp and same torque.
mine is 2140lbs, puts down 147whp and 164 ft. lbs torque @ 11psi of boost.

My car is tuned via boost pressure sensor ( it's tuned from 5-12psi), so what ever boost I set it at it's tuned for. That particular run I was at 7.5 psi of boost, somwhere in the 130whp range most likely. My car has no intercooler, it has methanol injection, which enables me to run 13.0 afr and 8 degrees timing advance and not go BOOM.

Now those whp numbers may not seem impressive, the whole picture is not seen, When people spit out #'s, that is a peak #. My car has made 198 pulls on the dyno getting tuned, the powerband is VERY impressive and strong. at 3800rpm im already @ 120whp and @ 4000rpm im already at peak torque (164 ft. lbs). So it pulls very nicely at any rpm, I don't have to worry about which gear im in on a roadcoarse as much because it pulls hard even at the bottom end. Also I run on a Dyno Dynamics which is properly calibrated. If I hopped on a dyno-jet my car would easily show 160whp and 180ft. lbs torque.

The thing about this motor, is it is very fragile to knock and detonation, the rods are as big around as a Bic pen. My car is maxed out, unless I throw in rods.

[nayilsi]

^^^

thanks for the utube comment....

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welcome to 8th

[vetkiller]

Originally Posted by Blown_xa

hey no problem, I didnt sign up to start crap, I signed up to post and clarify what I'm all about.

Now as far as my car goes (because a few asked):

in stock form it is 2340lbs, puts down 86whp and same torque.
mine is 2140lbs, puts down 147whp and 164 ft. lbs torque @ 11psi of boost.

My car is tuned via boost pressure sensor ( it's tuned from 5-12psi), so what ever boost I set it at it's tuned for. That particular run I was at 7.5 psi of boost, somwhere in the 130whp range most likely. My car has no intercooler, it has methanol injection, which enables me to run 13.0 afr and 8 degrees timing advance and not go BOOM.

Now those whp numbers may not seem impressive, the whole picture is not seen, When people spit out #'s, that is a peak #. My car has made 198 pulls on the dyno getting tuned, the powerband is VERY impressive and strong. at 3800rpm im already @ 120whp and @ 4000rpm im already at peak torque (164 ft. lbs). So it pulls very nicely at any rpm, I don't have to worry about which gear im in on a roadcoarse as much because it pulls hard even at the bottom end. Also I run on a Dyno Dynamics which is properly calibrated. If I hopped on a dyno-jet my car would easily show 160whp and 180ft. lbs torque.

The thing about this motor, is it is very fragile to knock and detonation, the rods are as big around as a Bic pen. My car is maxed out, unless I throw in rods.

Do you have any kind of tune right now? It would be sweet if you did a build on the internals and then got a tune w possibly a higher boost. What kind of turbo do you have?

[DNieves]

Originally Posted by Blown_xa

I was informed that discussion of my you-tube videos was brought to this forum.
Just wanted to clear things up...
The first two videos of me racing Si's in my xD, I was not targeting the Si, in fact that day 1/3 of the cars at the track were Civic Si's. The must have been a planned meet there. It so happened that I ended up running against two of them, which I video taped. I found it intriguing that I was able to beat them. In no way is the Scion xD faster than the new generation Si, but (and u will see me say this a few times) the car is only as good as the person behind the wheel. The last generation Si, that was a legit win, I flat out outpowered that one.
Posting those two videos of my xD, I did it to enlighten people... most people read the title of a race video and already know the outcome before they even watch it, That was the twist I wanted to go for. As far as the discriptions I wrote, ( about price tags and such) I was having fun. If that put some people's panties in a bunch then I appoligize, but it was meant to be FUNNY. I wasnt being cocky.
I posted the 3rd video (my xA) vs. the Si just because of the flack that I got from the other 2, it's that simple. Many people couldnt fathem the fact of a cheap Scion being faster than a well engineered, sports-purpose built front wheel drive car. Do I have a beef with Si owners, ... I think the car is awsome, but I also visit other forums which are non vehicle specific and it seems as though Honda owners ( not all) are out to get Scions. They call them "slow" or "girl-cars", things like that. Some guy posts a story about how a Scion cut him off on the way home, then it just turned into a Scion-hating thread.
From that point I learned that many many people who talk trash on the internet and forums, they never go to the track, they just bash and run. I don't like the internet in the way that it hides how a person really is. So what do I do, I stick to racing in real life. I do Time attacks, auto-x's and every once and a while the dragstrip to test my car. I bring real-life results to the internet, instead of talking trash on the net and nothing comes of it. I like all cars.
My xa, it's one of the lowest hp front wheel drive production cars out there, quite simply i get a "kick" out of competing against cars that are far superior. I like being the under-dog, like when sombody watches a fight movie or race movie, u always have a thing for the underdog.
There are many people out there who buy a car and automatically think they are fast because of what they drive... that is entirely not the case. The type of car you drive only gives you the potential to go faster. This is more evident on road coarses and auto-x's. You can not look at a car an know how fast it is, the end results tell the story. On a road coarse, you can not rely on the fact that your car can run a 14.3 in the 1/4 and the car you are competing to pass runs 15.5, all that goes down the tube in the first turn you enter. On road coarses I have passed Evos, 350z's( even boosted ones) S2000's, STI's, BMW's... now I know each one of those cars had the capability to be faster than me, but the drivers of those cars did not maximize the potential of those vehicles. In a nutshell, just because sombody drives a certain type of car, it doesnt mean they are faster than you. And that is my whole point.
I guess what bugs me is that I see all these great cars, and I see many people on the net saying how fast there car is, but when it comes to the big events, where are they? The was only one Si at the last time attack I did, that car has so much potential to do well in FWD street it confuses me that more people don't race.
Here is an in-car of a practice session at the last time attack. I am in FWD street, the 350z is in FWD modified ( R-compound tires) and the s2000 is rear wheel drive street. at that particular even I placed 3rd in FWD street.

Basically, aside from having a quick car, the driver is the lynchpin to successfully winning a a race. I wonder how you'd fare if you drove a Si instead of a Scion?

[Blown_xa]

Originally Posted by vetkiller

Do you have any kind of tune right now? It would be sweet if you did a build on the internals and then got a tune w possibly a higher boost. What kind of turbo do you have?

Turbo is a t0-35 Misubishi.

Building the internals is a big step, Only a couple have done so with that motor including Leslie Armerindez who drives the 9 sec NA tC. She has the 1.5l xB as the tow vehicle for that car and decided to have fun with it. T 28 turbo tuned @ 18psi, ran 12.9 in the 1/4. Funny to see a toaster run that fast.