si vs. gti 1.8t

[aleks]

Originally Posted by Great_Big_Abyss

So a 1.8t has turbo lag? I'm not sure if you've driven an 8th gen Civic Si, but we have something called 'small displacement and low torque' until VTEC kicks in. Actually, it feels very much like....turbo lag.

And even though we're talking about the 1.8t, I'm going to mention the 2.0t. Every single review I've read on it describes it as having practically no turbo lag. It just pulls hard at every rpm. The ONLY reason a Civic Si keeps up to (or is faster than) an 06+ GTi in a straight line is because it weighs 286 lbs less.

Like I said depends where you are. At about 3500ft I raced my friend from a roll 3-4 times and every time the GTi pulled very hard on the Si. Wasn't even close. Both cars bone stock.

For the guys saying Germans need turbo to keep up...yeah they decided to slap a turbo not because it's very efficient way of making power and keeping the fuel econ down but so that they can keep up to a civic si LOL.
800 bux in 1 mod and the GTi is up to 300ft-lbs of torque, yes it's because it's got a turbo...

And yes the Gti will be less reliable 5-7 yrs down the road. LOL

[rmfa]

Originally Posted by FusionSi11

i hate these stupid threads...SEARCH!! this is the millionth thread on this stupid subject!! and we talk bout the same shit over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over again horsepower torque 1/4 mile horsepower torque 1/4 mile horsepower torque 1/4 mile horsepower torque 1/4 mile horsepower torque 1/4 mile horsepower torque 1/4 mile horsepower torque 1/4 mile horsepower torque 1/4 mile horsepower torque 1/4 mile over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over again.

arent u people tired of typing and reading about this 5hit

Yes, I'm also sick of people who post all smileys and the people who copy and paste the 'whos watching this thread.' Who really cares? We all can look at the bottom if we really cared.

Oh yea, people that copy and paste one thing over and over is extremely annoying, too.

[Street2uned]

N/A european compacts aren't built the same way as asian compacts.

Also...I'd like to see a stock 1.8t with turbo lag. Those turbos are so tiny, they are fully spooled by like 2500rpm. Even when they are chipped and the boost is set to 22psi...they are still fully spooled by like 3k rpm.

[Street2uned]

Originally Posted by rmfa

Yes, I'm also sick of people who post all smileys and the people who copy and paste the 'whos watching this thread.' Who really cares? We all can look at the bottom if we really cared.

Oh yea, people that copy and paste one thing over and over is extremely annoying, too.

I also hate the terms 'FTL/ FTW'...anything to do with the new catch phrase 'FAIL/ EPIC FAIL' and pretty much every other shortened term used on the internet besides 'b/c'...simply b/c it's faster to type it than the whole word.

[chrisfrofro]

Originally Posted by rmfa

Yes, I'm also sick of people who post all smileys and the people who copy and paste the 'whos watching this thread.' Who really cares? We all can look at the bottom if we really cared.

Oh yea, people that copy and paste one thing over and over is extremely annoying, too.

Originally Posted by Street2uned

I also hate the terms 'FTL/ FTW'...anything to do with the new catch phrase 'FAIL/ EPIC FAIL' and pretty much every other shortened term used on the internet besides 'b/c'...simply b/c it's faster to type it than the whole word.

[Anubis]

threads like this always makes the 8th an entertaining place to be.

[FusionSi11]

Originally Posted by rmfa

Yes, I'm also sick of people who post all smileys and the people who copy and paste the 'whos watching this thread.' Who really cares? We all can look at the bottom if we really cared.

Oh yea, people that copy and paste one thing over and over is extremely annoying, too.

i know right...copy and paste blows...thats why i typed all of it

[salvatruco2004]

dont worry you will win, i raced my friend Gti modded i have a coupe si beat my 1 car lenght and my si is stock

[Street2uned]

2006 Volkswagen GTI vs. 2006 Honda Civic Si - AutoWeek Magazine

This is a nice comparison. There are still many variables to take into account, but for the most part, this is pretty close.

These are the results for the 2.0t GTi, for those that didn't catch that.

[eXe]

Originally Posted by Street2uned

I also hate the terms 'FTL/ FTW'...anything to do with the new catch phrase 'FAIL/ EPIC FAIL' and pretty much every other shortened term used on the internet besides 'b/c'...simply b/c it's faster to type it than the whole word.

I also hate people that don't fully spell words out.

[eXe]

Originally Posted by Street2uned

2006 Volkswagen GTI vs. 2006 Honda Civic Si - AutoWeek Magazine

This is a nice comparison. There are still many variables to take into account, but for the most part, this is pretty close.

These are the results for the 2.0t GTi, for those that didn't catch that.

Good review...it's weird how the Si can besically stay with a GTI which is turbocharged, against a Natural motor. If only Honda would put a turbo on a Si for one generation...god damn.

[Great_Big_Abyss]

Originally Posted by e60.deluxe

civic Si peak torque non VTEC @ 2500 RPM ~= 125lb-ft
civic Si torque in VTEC @ 6500 RPM ~= 135lb-ft.

you haven't done your homework. Slow or Fast, the Si is unequivocally the master of linear power delivery (opposite of turbo lag) anywhere near its price range.

the only reason the Si doesnt stomp all over 06+ GTi's is because honda decided it would be a good idea to cut the torque down near 5000RPM, and then spike it back up at 5800RPM, so that people think "wow i get way more power when im in VTEC."

appearantly they didnt count on a bunch of 'glass half empty' people who go "lame i get no power untill VTEC"

No no, I'm not in any way a 'glass half empty' kinda guy who hates my low end. In fact, I love the way my engine develops its power. Was it road and track that described the k20 as having been engineered by a mad scientist?

Anyway, I was just trying to make a point that you can't really complain about turbo lag in a 1.8t when you're comparing it to a k20 which has a whopping 135 lbs-ft of torque.

Again, don't get me wrong, I'd rather have a screamer over a torque monster any day. I'm just sayin...

[nevetSi]

Originally Posted by Great_Big_Abyss

So a 1.8t has turbo lag? I'm not sure if you've driven an 8th gen Civic Si, but we have something called 'small displacement and low torque' until VTEC kicks in. Actually, it feels very much like....turbo lag.

And even though we're talking about the 1.8t, I'm going to mention the 2.0t. Every single review I've read on it describes it as having practically no turbo lag. It just pulls hard at every rpm. The ONLY reason a Civic Si keeps up to (or is faster than) an 06+ GTi in a straight line is because it weighs 286 lbs less.

I've driven both. My si feels quicker to respond, and the GLI seemed to have a little turbo lag like I said; however, I haven't driven many cars with turbos so my experience with lag isn't the same as others. I was just giving my thoughts like the thread asked.

[Great_Big_Abyss]

I'm sorry. I didn't mean to sound disdainful.

[achilles225]

Originally Posted by FusionSi11

i hate these stupid threads...SEARCH!! this is the millionth thread on this stupid subject!! and we talk bout the same shit over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over again horsepower torque 1/4 mile horsepower torque 1/4 mile horsepower torque 1/4 mile horsepower torque 1/4 mile horsepower torque 1/4 mile horsepower torque 1/4 mile horsepower torque 1/4 mile horsepower torque 1/4 mile horsepower torque 1/4 mile over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over n over again.

arent u people tired of typing and reading about this 5hit

Originally Posted by rmfa

Yes, I'm also sick of people who post all smileys and the people who copy and paste the 'whos watching this thread.' Who really cares? We all can look at the bottom if we really cared.

Oh yea, people that copy and paste one thing over and over is extremely annoying, too.

Its really not that serious

[rmfa]

Originally Posted by achilles225

Its really not that serious

Then don't comment and move on. Makes sense, right?

[eXe]

Originally Posted by rmfa

Then don't comment and move on. Makes sense, right?

But don't hate on the smileys Rmfa

[Daishi]

guys i work at a vw dealership selling cars.. plz dont hate me lmao. i used to sell hondas if that helps but anyway. i race the gti's we have here in stock all the time me and the sales guys. we got some pre owned 1.8t's that i raced.. no contest 1.8t's = slow owned by like 12 car lengths at 100mph I have a friend who works their with an 06 mkv we race all the time as long as you are DECENT at shifting the si should pull on the mkv but its a drivers race.

stock for stock the si and mkv are gonna be about even.. i have some mods.. my friend with the mkv used to talk so much crap saying how i have no tq and how i need mods to beat him and that all hes gotta do is get an intake and gain 30hp to beat me while i need to get intake header etc.. so guess what he gets his intake and im still faster haha 30hp my ass :\ i just sit back laugh and am like i see i have no tq but still beat you so go jump in a lake lol.

[slow4drsi]

i know this is not the 1.8 but 280whp 320 tq only running 13.9 ??
that is like subaru sti with reflash downpipe intake and exhaust.. , i guess it's the driver's fault..
YouTube - 2007 Volkswagen GTI MK5 2.0T Dyno & Track

[achilles225]

Originally Posted by rmfa

Yes, I'm also sick of people who post all smileys and the people who copy and paste the 'whos watching this thread.' Who really cares?