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[honda93]

Originally Posted by friedk

Where do you get tossed if you have LX with koni's, non-stock wheels/tires , rear camber arms, and aftermarket camber bolts?

What is my competition is going to be like?

Sorry, I'm allowed some noob-ish questions aren't I?

What size wheels and tires? If they are no wider than 7.5", STS. Beyond that, most likely FSP.

[Highrev1]

Originally Posted by honda93

I'm sure me, you, and Jeff could arrange something for this year if you're serious. I fully plan on being back in full force in 2009 (or maybe one National event this year as I said) so I would love to have a co-drive with you...

245's won't cut it truth be told. We examined the data. They aren't much wider than 225's when one factors in the limiting factor of the 6.5" wheel... Plus you lose the ability to rotate tires if using a staggered setup, as you have seen, the car works, but it lets that front end earn its keep.

Anthony "Mario" Crea
NNJR0-SCCA

Koni DA's would have to go on the car, both ends you know that I know you want to keep ride comfort...And they can be anything but total comfort..Will Jeff be driving it nationally? If we swap for national events you can choose between the TSX or the SI to drive I might have a ride for next year...I really don't want to and can't justify to the fiance ANOTHER new car... Basically were taliking

Tires
Shocks
Alignments

Anything else?

[silverspoon1996]

Where is the best place to find out what class your car would be in based on modifications??? I never raced and Id like to get involved.

[Highrev1]

Scca.org has the Rules..

[friedk]

Originally Posted by honda93

What size wheels and tires? If they are no wider than 7.5", STS. Beyond that, most likely FSP.

Looks like it's STS for me. Can't wait till March..

Think a set of Kumho extsa SPT will do me fine? Or should i crank out the extra 80$ for kumho MX/ bf goodrich sport.

[nycclaye]

Originally Posted by honda93

1. You don't HAVE to have R-comps (slicks) for DSP. Because of your chassis braces (not the strut tower braces) that is why you are there... We've told you this before. Also, because R-comps ARE allowed in DSP is why most people run them and would be stupid NOT to use them.

2. For the millionth time to everyone, the Si is in STX right off the bat in the Street Touring category due to the fact it has a gear-based LSD from the factory.

Trust me.

Anthony "Mario" Crea
NNJR-SCCA

aren't those the same?

[Highrev1]

Originally Posted by nycclaye

aren't those the same?

No, there not...

a) lateral braces, for the purpose of providing lateral rigidity only


b) these braces would only mount directly between suspension points, upper left to upper right, or lower left to lower right. No additional mounting points.


c) Attachment on either side would provide no "significant" chassis stiffening in other than lateral dimensions.

d) No plating, boxing or triangulation through multiple attachment points.

Thats the key multiple attachment points, more than 2 and it is straight to modified. So if you had a 3 point strut tower bar it is illegal..Or if it has more than 2 mounting locations, you could run latter work up and down the underside of the car as long as it only has two mounting points and mounts in stock locations, although the benifit comes from tirangulation, so I don't think it would be benifical...

[nycclaye]

ok, well then the event officials were right. Mine qualify for STS then. All the braces I have are LATERAL!! Hell, they only offer lateral braces for our cars right now unless you have em custom made.

[friedk]

Originally Posted by nycclaye

ok, well then the event officials were right. Mine qualify for STS then. All the braces I have are LATERAL!! Hell, they only offer lateral braces for our cars right now unless you have em custom made.

You are in STX because of the Si's LSD so you weren't in STS even when you were STOCK. You can't run STX and have to run DSP because your braces are not allowed.

I'm pretty sure honda93 wouldn't be mistaken about the autox rules.

[Highrev1]

Originally Posted by nycclaye

ok, well then the event officials were right. Mine qualify for STS then. All the braces I have are LATERAL!! Hell, they only offer lateral braces for our cars right now unless you have em custom made.

Multiple mounting locations....THEY ARE ILLEGAL!!! Take them off or go to modified!!

"These braces would only mount directly between suspension points, upper left to upper right, or lower left to lower right. No additional mounting points. "

Look the general rule of thumb is if it doesn't say you can then you can't!!

[honda93]

From the SCCA's own rulebook regarding STS, STX or STU (All Street Touring). I highlighted and boldfaced the parts of the ruling which appear to be confusing you.

14.8.H Suspension

Strut bars are permitted with all types of suspension. Strut bars may be mounted only transversely across the car from upper right to upper left suspension mounting point and from lower right to lower left suspension mounting point. No other configuration is permitted. Additional holes may be drilled for mounting bolts. Only bolt-on attachment is permitted. Interior trim panels may be modified to allow installation of strut bars. Holes or slots may be no larger than necessary and may serve no other purpose. This does not permit any modifications to the frame or unibody beyond the allowed mounting holes.

In other words, only the upper or lower strut bars are allowed. Anything else (those butterfly or H-Braces are a no-no) and must either come off for you to remain legal in STX or you go to DSP or beyond.

Anthony "Mario" Crea
NNJR-SCCA

[nycclaye]

Originally Posted by honda93

From the SCCA's own rulebook regarding STS, STX or STU (All Street Touring). I highlighted and boldfaced the parts of the ruling which appear to be confusing you.

14.8.H Suspension

Strut bars are permitted with all types of suspension. Strut bars may be mounted only transversely across the car from upper right to upper left suspension mounting point and from lower right to lower left suspension mounting point. No other configuration is permitted. Additional holes may be drilled for mounting bolts. Only bolt-on attachment is permitted. Interior trim panels may be modified to allow installation of strut bars. Holes or slots may be no larger than necessary and may serve no other purpose. This does not permit any modifications to the frame or unibody beyond the allowed mounting holes.

In other words, only the upper or lower strut bars are allowed. Anything else (those butterfly or H-Braces are a no-no) and must either come off for you to remain legal in STX or you go to DSP or beyond.

Anthony "Mario" Crea
NNJR-SCCA

Originally Posted by Highrev1

Multiple mounting locations....THEY ARE ILLEGAL!!! Take them off or go to modified!!

"These braces would only mount directly between suspension points, upper left to upper right, or lower left to lower right. No additional mounting points. "

Look the general rule of thumb is if it doesn't say you can then you can't!!

Originally Posted by friedk

Honda93 and Highrev have both told you over and over! I'm sorry to reiterate what they both said but this is driving me crazy.

You are in STX because of the Si's LSD so you weren't in STS even when you were STOCK. You can't run STX and have to run DSP because your braces are not allowed.

I'm pretty sure honda93 wouldn't be mistaken about the autox rules.

Ok, so what your saying is that the H-Brace makes it illegal since it's going "across" the frame not in a lateral sense. The F/U, F/L, R/L, and B-Pillar are all in accordance to the regulation. Look at the placement of them. I Uderstand why I'd be running STX now.

I hate how one person can "interpret" the law or lack thereof, one way and another person another way. I'm military... Just say wtf I can and can't do dammit!!!

So i'll stay in that class now. STX FTMFW I hope ya'll aren't planning on running that class... They allow suspension mod's that I haven't installed yet like my springs/camber kits/ dampners/ and bushings

[friedk]

Originally Posted by nycclaye

Ok, so what your saying is that the H-Brace makes it illegal since it's going "across" the frame not in a lateral sense. The F/U, F/L, R/L, and B-Pillar are all in accordance to the regulation. Look at the placement of them. I Uderstand why I'd be running STX now.

I hate how one person can "interpret" the law or lack thereof, one way and another person another way. I'm military... Just say wtf I can and can't do dammit!!!

So i'll stay in that class now. STX FTMFW I hope ya'll aren't planning on running that class... They allow suspension mod's that I haven't installed yet like my springs/camber kits/ dampners/ and bushings

I'll be in STS. I can't wait for march 16th.

Would you guys suggest I get a set of kumho SPTs, MXs, or BF goodrich g-force sports(current tires are crap)? the SPT are a good 80$ total the the MX of the bf goodrich tires. Is it worth it for the slightly improved performance? They all have pretty good reviews when it comes to dry handling and tire wear. I just can't justify having a set of extra wheels for some R compounds.

[nycclaye]

^^^^I've got the BF Goodrich G-Force T/A KDW2's on mine now.... Loud for the road but about the same as my previous Toyo Proxes and I love em. Kick ass Grip!!!

[honda93]

Originally Posted by nycclaye

Ok, so what your saying is that the H-Brace makes it illegal since it's going "across" the frame not in a lateral sense. The F/U, F/L, R/L, and B-Pillar are all in accordance to the regulation. Look at the placement of them. I Uderstand why I'd be running STX now.

I hate how one person can "interpret" the law or lack thereof, one way and another person another way. I'm military... Just say wtf I can and can't do dammit!!!

So i'll stay in that class now. STX FTMFW I hope ya'll aren't planning on running that class... They allow suspension mod's that I haven't installed yet like my springs/camber kits/ dampners/ and bushings

I prefer Stock... Shocks. Tires. Done.

[silverspoon1996]

Where on SCCA.org.. are the rules with classes defined?? Im in there now and theres nothing that saids rules...

[friedk]

Files for autocrossers

[racerx78]

Originally Posted by honda93

2. For the millionth time to everyone, the Si is in STX right off the bat in the Street Touring category due to the fact it has a gear-based LSD from the factory.

Trust me.

Anthony "Mario" Crea
NNJR-SCCA

"stock" Si's are GS, but depending on how you updated them you are kicked to STX because of the LSD. Si's are not eligible for STS class.