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BigDog · 03-27-2007, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by abs0lutexer0

wow that sucks... there's no way in hell the SI can be competitive in that class

Nationally? Maybe not. Locally? Sure it can. If you get some good coil-overs / camber plates, a big rear sway bar, 17x8 wheels and 245/235-40-17 tires, the car could be fun and fairly competitive at a local event. The lack of negative camber is the big killer for the car in stock form. Get the suspension dialed in, and you could give at least the other FWD/RWD cars in class a hard time.

Now against a completely STX prepped WRX...

honda93 · 03-27-2007, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by BigDog

Chris and I were talking about this yesterday. The Kumho price increase was a total shock to me last week. I was going to get a set of 710s to go on my car first before going to Hoosiers. The main reason was for the supposed longevity of the tire as opposed to the Hoosier. Now I'm not sure. How many runs do you get on a set of 710s Anthony? I hear 40-60 for the Hoosiers on Mini's.

As far as Chris goes, he's probably not too concerned about the price of tires right now. Especially r-comps. Stay tuned.

"Shock" is putting it mildly. But apparently these price increases affect every brand and every genre of tire. So, I guess I'll have to reevaluate my position in a year from now.

Anyway, I had over 100 runs on my V710's before cord, but they we beginning to slow down ever so gradually after 50 or so runs (unlike Hoosiers which die off like a mosquito hitting a windshield), just like everyone says. So for ultimate speed, you really have to "conserve" if you're in a position like me where I only get one set a year and I stretch them from March ~ November, mixed with 2 National events in there just to make things interesting!

I don't understand, is Chris co-driving your car so therefore he's buying tires as part of the deal?

Anthony "Mario" Crea
NNJR-SCCA

BigDog · 03-28-2007, 01:06 AM

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Originally Posted by honda93

"Shock" is putting it mildly. But apparently these price increases affect every brand and every genre of tire. So, I guess I'll have to reevaluate my position in a year from now.

Anyway, I had over 100 runs on my V710's before cord, but they we beginning to slow down ever so gradually after 50 or so runs (unlike Hoosiers which die off like a mosquito hitting a windshield), just like everyone says. So for ultimate speed, you really have to "conserve" if you're in a position like me where I only get one set a year and I stretch them from March ~ November, mixed with 2 National events in there just to make things interesting!

I don't understand, is Chris co-driving your car so therefore he's buying tires as part of the deal?

Anthony "Mario" Crea
NNJR-SCCA

I've heard 80+ runs with fall off halfway through from other 710 users, so 100/50 is quite good. I'll still probably start my set up on 710s at this point because they do seem to last longer. But, yes, the price increase is concerning. I've mentioned to you before that this year will probably be the last hoorah for me with a National effort. After that, I'll probably set the car up to run in our local stock street tire class or with a mild STS tune.

With Chris and I on opposite coasts, co-driving really isn't an option. Without giving too much away, look for Chris in an ST* car this year with a big sticker on the side.

abs0lutexer0 · 03-28-2007, 01:17 AM

Yeah eventually I'd like to be competitive locally, not nationally. At least not with this car.

abs0lutexer0 · 03-28-2007, 12:07 PM

I was running approx. 41-42psi in all 4 tires at the event this weekend and I noticed that my car really understeered. One of the experience FWD drivers ride with me and gave me an advice in regards to tire pressure. He adviced me to put more pressure in the rear tires, so that my rear would slide out more during the turns. Now I'd like to get some input from my fellow 8thcivic autocrossers, since we drive the same cars. (FYI he drives an 88 crx, so I don't know if his advice would apply to my application). Do you guys agree with what he's saying? And what tire pressure would you guys advise me to put on my front and rear? FYI My suspension is stock and I'm running on the all season tires that came with the car.

***Highrev1*** · 03-28-2007, 02:06 PM

NO..More pressure in the rear is not good.

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abs0lutexer0 · 03-28-2007, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by BigDog

So yes, the higher pressure in the back will get you some rotation, but a lower pressure will get you a more controlled rotation. This is a contradiction to normal autocross theory, but a lot of fast guys are using lower pressures. If you get a chance to test, try both. Your driving style might also dictate which pressure theory works for you.

Ok... I guess I'll try both techniques and see which technique would work best for my driving style.

***Highrev1*** · 03-28-2007, 07:13 PM

We have attempted to campain the FG to be competitive in GS last year. Go with the lower pressures, tooo snappy with the higher ones.

"We ran as low as 12 psi in the back (yes 12) trying to get the car to rotate and not abuse the front tires. When the front tires got hot, the car got even worse.... we had absolutely as much toe out in the rear as possible, and we were still a second off the fastest guys."

The fastest guy being in a mini Cooper S

Not to worry the Si will be my track day car

honda93 · 03-29-2007, 12:19 AM

As many of you can tell, I am pretty bothered by these tire price increases. So I did the democratic thing and wrote an email to KumhoUSA directly...

My name is Anthony Crea and I've been a long-time Kumho supporter because of the performance vs. longevity advantage your product offered compared to Hoo$ier.

However, the recent price increases on almost every tire on the market is the main reason I write today... More specifically, the increases I faced when ordering my set of V710's for the 2007 SCCA Solo season was appalling!

I'll be perfectly honest, Kumho stands to lose a lot of business from within the SCCA community now that you offer a product that is basically the same price as Hoo$iers, yet is a tad slower in most instances... And the fact that Hoo$ier offers tires to those who place well at National events will only alienate even more people.

See where this is going?

I am a teacher, not a businessman, but if Kumho is to retain its place amongst the SCCA Solo community, you need to absorb any raw materials/production price increases within your "bread and butter" products. Most of the general tire-buying public won't notice a dollar or two here and there given the sales volume differences.

However, you need to lower the prices on the V710 and your other R-compound tires by the end of the 2007 season, or as I said earlier, I feel you will lose your stance amongst this loyal group of consumers.

I don't know if this message will ever be read by anyone, but regardless, I thank you for your time.

Anthony Crea
NNJR-SCCA

Ep3racer954 · 03-29-2007, 07:42 AM

nice, straight foward letter. i hope this gets their attention, because everything that you said in your email, i could see happening soon..

Kurt · 03-30-2007, 11:38 AM

Oh man, just got my helmet today and this is hilarious. My body looks so small with this jumbotron on.

Perfect fit though.

abs0lutexer0 · 03-30-2007, 06:55 PM

I hope someone from Kumho reads the letter and do something about the price increase on performance tires.

Kurt · 03-31-2007, 07:07 PM

My god, I have found my new hobby.

Kurt · 04-01-2007, 09:11 PM

These past 2 days were just amazing, I am so hooked now. I had plans to turbocharge my car, but now I'm thinking adjustable shocks (when they come out) wheels/tires definitely, bigger rear sway, camber arms and bolts - and I should be killing cars in STS.

I just had an absolute blast this weekend.

BAR296 · 04-02-2007, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Kurt

These past 2 days were just amazing, I am so hooked now. I had plans to turbocharge my car, but now I'm thinking adjustable shocks (when they come out) wheels/tires definitely, bigger rear sway, camber arms and bolts - and I should be killing cars in STS.

I just had an absolute blast this weekend.

And you almost had 1st too. i heard you were only like .04 or something behind Brian jones in the big maxima. So i'm guessing you're deffinitly gonna be out on the 15th. if you wanna grab a ride with me at the event just let me know. Glad you enjoyed the school!

***Highrev1*** · 04-02-2007, 07:34 PM

Sorry Kurt but you will get spanked in STS by 89 civic si's if you want to compete Nationally :)

Kurt · 04-02-2007, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by BAR296

And you almost had 1st too. i heard you were only like .04 or something behind Brian jones in the big maxima. So i'm guessing you're deffinitly gonna be out on the 15th. if you wanna grab a ride with me at the event just let me know. Glad you enjoyed the school!

Yeah, it was super close and I hit a cone

But man, what a blast. I got home last night and signed up for the 15th right away. I'd love a ride in the Si, they let people ride along in the competitions?

Kurt · 04-02-2007, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Highrev1

Sorry Kurt but you will get spanked in STS by 89 civic si's if you want to compete Nationally :)

I don't have any plans to compete nationally yet. I just want to work on getting my car how I want it and being able to get the most out of it.

Wallyk20 · 04-02-2007, 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Kurt

Yeah, it was super close and I hit a cone

But man, what a blast. I got home last night and signed up for the 15th right away. I'd love a ride in the Si, they let people ride along in the competitions?

Sure, as long as you're not working. You'll see lots of us jumping in other cars to improve our knowledge of the course and instruct fellow drivers. You can learn a lot by going for a ride along with both experienced and novice drivers. Look me up on the 15th if you want a ride; #471 BSP.

Nice running Kurt, you had the 3 cone slalom at the end nailed. That was my corner when you were running on Sunday.

Kurt · 04-02-2007, 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Wallyk20

Sure, as long as you're not working. You'll see lots of us jumping in other cars to improve our knowledge of the course and instruct fellow drivers. You can learn a lot by going for a ride along with both experienced and novice drivers. Look me up on the 15th if you want a ride; #471 BSP.

Nice running Kurt, you had the 3 cone slalom at the end nailed. That was my corner when you were running on Sunday.

Thanks, did you see me almost spin out at the finish line on one of my runs? It was sooo close but I caught it and didn't hit the cones.. me and my instructor were laughing so hard because I was hauling some serious ass through that last section.

I went for a ride in Paul Chrt's RX-8.. my god. He ran a 46 when I was with him - absolutely disgusting run. I was like "HOW ARE YOU CONTROLLING THIS?!" It was a blast.

And I'll look for you on the 15th to snag a ride, thanks in advance

03-28-2007, 02:06 PM	#266 (permalink)
*Highrev1* 8thcivic Sponsor Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 3,681 iTrader: 1 / 100%	NO..More pressure in the rear is not good. Autocrossers: Check in here! __________________ BUY MY CIVIC

03-28-2007, 07:13 PM	#268 (permalink)
*Highrev1* 8thcivic Sponsor Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 3,681 iTrader: 1 / 100%	We have attempted to campain the FG to be competitive in GS last year. Go with the lower pressures, tooo snappy with the higher ones. "We ran as low as 12 psi in the back (yes 12) trying to get the car to rotate and not abuse the front tires. When the front tires got hot, the car got even worse.... we had absolutely as much toe out in the rear as possible, and we were still a second off the fastest guys." The fastest guy being in a mini Cooper S Not to worry the Si will be my track day car __________________ BUY MY CIVIC

04-02-2007, 07:34 PM	#276 (permalink)
*Highrev1* 8thcivic Sponsor Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 3,681 iTrader: 1 / 100%	Sorry Kurt but you will get spanked in STS by 89 civic si's if you want to compete Nationally :) __________________ BUY MY CIVIC

03-28-2007, 01:17 AM	#264 (permalink)
abs0lutexer0 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Bay Area, CA Posts: 1,414 iTrader: 7 / 100%	Yeah eventually I'd like to be competitive locally, not nationally. At least not with this car.

03-28-2007, 12:07 PM	#265 (permalink)
abs0lutexer0 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Bay Area, CA Posts: 1,414 iTrader: 7 / 100%	I was running approx. 41-42psi in all 4 tires at the event this weekend and I noticed that my car really understeered. One of the experience FWD drivers ride with me and gave me an advice in regards to tire pressure. He adviced me to put more pressure in the rear tires, so that my rear would slide out more during the turns. Now I'd like to get some input from my fellow 8thcivic autocrossers, since we drive the same cars. (FYI he drives an 88 crx, so I don't know if his advice would apply to my application). Do you guys agree with what he's saying? And what tire pressure would you guys advise me to put on my front and rear? FYI My suspension is stock and I'm running on the all season tires that came with the car.

03-29-2007, 12:19 AM	#269 (permalink)
honda93 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Property Tax Hell... NJ Age: 34 Posts: 881 iTrader: 2 / 100%	As many of you can tell, I am pretty bothered by these tire price increases. So I did the democratic thing and wrote an email to KumhoUSA directly... My name is Anthony Crea and I've been a long-time Kumho supporter because of the performance vs. longevity advantage your product offered compared to Hoo$ier. However, the recent price increases on almost every tire on the market is the main reason I write today... More specifically, the increases I faced when ordering my set of V710's for the 2007 SCCA Solo season was appalling! I'll be perfectly honest, Kumho stands to lose a lot of business from within the SCCA community now that you offer a product that is basically the same price as Hoo$iers, yet is a tad slower in most instances... And the fact that Hoo$ier offers tires to those who place well at National events will only alienate even more people. See where this is going? I am a teacher, not a businessman, but if Kumho is to retain its place amongst the SCCA Solo community, you need to absorb any raw materials/production price increases within your "bread and butter" products. Most of the general tire-buying public won't notice a dollar or two here and there given the sales volume differences. However, you need to lower the prices on the V710 and your other R-compound tires by the end of the 2007 season, or as I said earlier, I feel you will lose your stance amongst this loyal group of consumers. I don't know if this message will ever be read by anyone, but regardless, I thank you for your time. Anthony Crea NNJR-SCCA

03-29-2007, 07:42 AM	#270 (permalink)
Ep3racer954 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Pompano Beach, Fl Age: 19 Posts: 1,675 FG*SQUAD #87 iTrader: 3 / 100%	nice, straight foward letter. i hope this gets their attention, because everything that you said in your email, i could see happening soon..

03-30-2007, 11:38 AM	#271 (permalink)
Kurt Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Age: 22 Posts: 3,633 iTrader: 2 / 100%	Oh man, just got my helmet today and this is hilarious. My body looks so small with this jumbotron on. Perfect fit though.

03-30-2007, 06:55 PM	#272 (permalink)
abs0lutexer0 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Bay Area, CA Posts: 1,414 iTrader: 7 / 100%	I hope someone from Kumho reads the letter and do something about the price increase on performance tires.

03-31-2007, 07:07 PM	#273 (permalink)
Kurt Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Age: 22 Posts: 3,633 iTrader: 2 / 100%	My god, I have found my new hobby.

04-01-2007, 09:11 PM	#274 (permalink)
Kurt Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Age: 22 Posts: 3,633 iTrader: 2 / 100%	These past 2 days were just amazing, I am so hooked now. I had plans to turbocharge my car, but now I'm thinking adjustable shocks (when they come out) wheels/tires definitely, bigger rear sway, camber arms and bolts - and I should be killing cars in STS. I just had an absolute blast this weekend.