vs. SR20 240sx

[si-lenced4door]

Bottom line is, without doing quite a bit of stuff to an SI, it will not beat a SR20'ed 240sx. Whether it be the Redtop/t25, Blacktop/t25, Blacktop/t28, or the Blacktop/ball bearing s15 t28. Have a 240 sitting in my garage right now with Redtop SR20/t25. When I first got it, I ran it at the track, completely stock except: HKS BOV, FMIC, open 3" DP, and Exedy HDSS. Best time was a 13.8 and I got it dynoed at 208hp and 205tq. Then I put on suspension, rims and good tires, and a locked differential at 10psi, and ran a best of 13.2 with 1.9 60's.
http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/inde...mageID=8145746

http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/inde...mageID=8145929

Not my best, but still fun.
http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fu...ideoID=9079048

[reaper702]

Originally Posted by leonphelpss11

Quick facts:
2006-7 Honda Civic Si=3300+ lbs
1991-94 240sx 2600-2700 lbs

Nice try for making me lookin stupid when you are the noob here.

well it does seem you may be a noob since the si does NOT weigh 3300+lbs. wow unless you are like a 400lb person inside the car then maybe.

http://automobiles.honda.com/civic-s...aspx?group=all

please read, 2886 is what honda says...

[leonphelpss11]

Originally Posted by reaper702

well it does seem you may be a noob since the si does NOT weigh 3300+lbs. wow unless you are like a 400lb person inside the car then maybe.

http://automobiles.honda.com/civic-s...aspx?group=all

please read, 2886 is what honda says...

Whups, I dont know why I put 3300 lbs.. I was thinking 2900 but put 3300.. Lol my bad..

[hawjdude]

i just call it like it is, believe it or not, sr20s aren't that fast, and yes he did have the intentions to race, he initiated it. i had two passengers weighing in at almost 400 pounds in excess, so thats a kill in my opinion. im not trying to downplay the sr20, just putting it on how i know it.

Originally Posted by PR_S14

My goodness I'm gonna have to call your BS. When I had the stock T25 on my sr, at 14 psi I was putting a hurtin' on Sti's (stock ones, from a roll). If you beat an SR swapped 240 that upped the boost to 14 I promise you he had zero intent on racing you. SR swapped S13's with only bolt ons and DR's run 13 flats or better on a consistent basis while trapping about 105-106. An Si WILL need FI to get to that level.

[hawjdude]

what makes u so inform about cars anyway, cause u know the difference between s13 and s15 turbos, dude, dont be mad cause i spanked your godly sr20 240 with two extra passengers in my si. if u wanna settle this for once, lets run, im assuming u have a sr20 240, put up or shut up.

Originally Posted by leonphelpss11

Rofl, you should be laughing at yourself. A s13 sr20det has a t25 turbo stock. The s15 has a t28 stock. I have never heard of anyone saying boosted in the definition you have said, meaning "more then stock boost". When people say boosted, it usually means that the engine is NA and they put a turbo on there. I also guarantee you, that guy must have the shittiest tune ever, the shittiest sr swap and the guy had to have been a retard driving to have lost to you in your Si. Even the damned facts prove that the 240 is going to spank the Si left and right. The SR s13 traps 13's regularly.

I am going to have to call bullshit on you and please get out to the track more. Nobody in this forum can possibly say they can beat a sr'd s13 on a i/h/e si.

Quick facts:
2006-7 Honda Civic Si=3300+ lbs
1991-94 240sx 2600-2700 lbs

Power:
Sr'd s13 with decent tuning and some nice mods (bov fmic exhaust etc etc)=225 hp+ depending on your tuning and how much you are boosting
Honda Civic Si=197 hp, possibly 225 hp w/ i/h/e

Even if the Si has the same exact hp as the 240, the 240 will win b/c of the huge weight diff. The 240 is also RWD so it will win on the track too

The Si will never will w/o FI

Nice try for making me lookin stupid when you are the noob here.

[PR_S14]

Originally Posted by hawjdude

what makes u so inform about cars anyway, cause u know the difference between s13 and s15 turbos, dude, dont be mad cause i spanked your godly sr20 240 with two extra passengers in my si. if u wanna settle this for once, lets run, im assuming u have a sr20 240, put up or shut up.

Ok, this is getting out of hand... It's starting to stink pretty bad in here.

[leonphelpss11]

Originally Posted by hawjdude

what makes u so inform about cars anyway, cause u know the difference between s13 and s15 turbos, dude, dont be mad cause i spanked your godly sr20 240 with two extra passengers in my si. if u wanna settle this for once, lets run, im assuming u have a sr20 240, put up or shut up.

What makes me informed is that I have owned both cars. I sold the 240 though and got this. You're the one who thinks you are the damned Nissan and Honda God rolled into one. You're sitting here telling everyone that they're wrong and how you're so damned smart with street racing or whatnot. You're the one who "allegedly" beat a 240. I never said the sr20 is godly, I am just putting the facts that the si will get spanked. I will throw down a pink slip (haha) that a freaking 240 sr20det with the usual mods will kill your si. Especially with your 2 passengers weighing over 400 lbs together. Man, if you actually go to a track, you will not be on this thread again b/c you're going to feel like an idiot.

I am also not the only one saying the Si is going to get killed, so are you going to challenge everyone else to a race too? I guarantee you, everyone that has a sr'd 240 is willing to throw down alot of cash that they can smoke you in a race, especially with 400+ extra lbs in your car. If you are willing to make the drive down here, I will have a sr'd 240 waiting depending on what you want to bet. So I'm taking your callout, so lets see who is putting up and shutting up

I live in Southwest Louisiana

[Tiznonay]

Originally Posted by ibanez37

This is what I thought. The N/A SR swap was way off in left field for me.

I dont understand why everyone thinks thats so wierd. Its actually pretty common. Like I said, the SR is a more reliable motor than the KA. I mean, they dont make a RWD SR20DE for nothing! Im not saying its the cheapest or easiest way to go, but it DOES happen. Here's several examples...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Nissa...spagenameZWDVW

http://www.sr20forum.com/members-rid...r-powered.html

http://www.nissanforums.com/s13-240s...t=240SX+Sr20DE

http://www.sr20forum.com/240sx/19295...day-240-a.html

http://www.sr20forum.com/240sx/21079...e-det-vet.html

http://www.nissanforums.com/sr20de-d...t=240SX+Sr20DE

[leonphelpss11]

Eh, the sr is not more reliable then the ka. They're both about the same. There are some people that want to be diff. and get na sr swaps, but most majority of people that I have read about on forums think it is an entirely waste of money seeing as the ka is very good. Sure there are some people that have done the sr NA swap over a ka, but that doesn't make it more reliable. They also make equal amounts of parts for both na.

[si-lenced4door]

Originally Posted by hawjdude

i just call it like it is, believe it or not, sr20s aren't that fast, and yes he did have the intentions to race, he initiated it. i had two passengers weighing in at almost 400 pounds in excess, so thats a kill in my opinion. im not trying to downplay the sr20, just putting it on how i know it.

your smoking crack..... sorry, but a si with little mods is not going to beat a person that actually knows how to drive and has a sr20det in their 240.

and yes, i also would be willing to put money down on it.

[Tiznonay]

Originally Posted by si-lenced4door

your smoking crack..... sorry, but a si with little mods is not going to beat a person that actually knows how to drive and has a sr20det in their 240.

and yes, i also would be willing to put money down on it.

well said! I dont think that guy understands what he's up against. In fact, I dont think he knows anything at all about 240's or SR20's. I believe it was him who said:

Originally Posted by hawjdude

if its just a stock sr20 240, an si w/ i,h,e should handle it fine. if its boosted, may be a close race. also depends on the body style. is a s13? s14?

See thats wrong on several counts. One, 240's never came with a stock SR20 (not in this country at least), second, a boosted 240 will NOT be a close race, unless the SI is running F/I. And finally, body style makes pretty much NO difference. Maybe a few pounds or so, but a 240 with an SR20DET is going to smoke an SI, doesnt matter what year it is, or even what car it is. I have a FWD B14 with a DET and it's just as fast as a similarly equipped 240. Trust me, theyre fast cars, if you say you beat one, either he wasnt racing, or he wasnt turbo'd.

[dannymac63]

He forgot to mention the 240SR driver decided that 2nd gear wasn't needed.

[leonphelpss11]

Thanks for sticking up for my argument guys.. Finally hahaha

[PR_S14]

Originally Posted by leonphelpss11

I wouldn't want to build a NA KA/SR.. Way to expensive and you can swap a better high revving NA motor instead. I read about a build that this company is doing to where you send in your ka and they send it back to you. You pay 5,000 and it comes back with around 250 hp+. I would much rather throw that 5 at a better motor/project. If you had the money, it would be a cool thing getting a NA KA/SR to high hp, but I don't think any of us has that kind of cash to get 100 extra hp..

I agree. That's why I went with the DET. 444 whp at 22 psi. Besides cams, the motor has NEVER been opened. It's a fantastic engine. I was happy to be rid of the KA.

[1.8L FG KiDd]

boost RWD > Na FWD. 240sx with sr20dets can easily run 13s..

[leonphelpss11]

Originally Posted by PR_S14

I agree. That's why I went with the DET. 444 whp at 22 psi. Besides cams, the motor has NEVER been opened. It's a fantastic engine. I was happy to be rid of the KA.

Whats the mods on your car?

I was hoping to build a vh45det(maybe another t).. ******* 300 hp na v8 infinity q45 motor. It never gained recognition like the Rb's b/c they were never put into a beast like the Skylines. It is made from Aluminum and supposedly can handle 600+hp on stock internals.. It is built the same if not better then RB's.

[si-lenced4door]

Originally Posted by PR_S14

I agree. That's why I went with the DET. 444 whp at 22 psi. Besides cams, the motor has NEVER been opened. It's a fantastic engine. I was happy to be rid of the KA.

damn, i would like to see some pics of that. cause i have NEVER heard of that much without doing at least minor engine internals. Headgasket would be the first to go for sure. Only seen up to about 410 with everything stock including the headgasket.

[PR_S14]

Here's my S14:



And here's the engine bay:



I have some 8th mile vids I can put up if you guys want to check those out.

[Asif22]

unmodded sr20det isn't that fast...if i recall it makes somewherelike 200hp...but modded you will get oober pwned like a n00b

[leonphelpss11]

What kind of turbo is that?
Size of injectors?
Are you sure that is all stock internals? Damn if it is, pretty strong ass redtop sr.
Is that a kouki or zenki s14? It looks kouki, but its too damned hard to tell from the pics
One more thing, haha list of your mods? Looks like Koyo rad, but can't tell much either from the pics.

Yes on the 8th mile
I'll see if I can pull up pics/vid of my s13. Most of it was when it wasn't running cause of blown ka block.

Best I can do:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=qogoYYRu-K0 (wing wasn't mine, it was on there when I first got it and I never took it off.)