The 2007 civic will not beat a mustang GT thread!

[Blainestang]

Originally Posted by Anubis

A race is always dependent on the driver so anything is possible....i agree with that. That is why from my own experience (at the track) watching a number of si's and gt's run I can tell you on average the GT's are significantly faster. I mean hell they should be with 260 HP and 302 lbs of tq.......

True... there are a just a handful of Si's that have gone 14.3-14.5, and most run significantly higher.

On the other hand, on the same night that my friend and I ran 14.1 and 14.2, respectively, in our '01 GT's, there were 3 other virtually stock 99-04 GT's running 14.3 or better. If anyone wants to talk about the 14.3 for the Si, we'll be happy to talk about stock 99-04 GT's running 13.7's... It's only fair that if one is talking about BEST times, the other can as well.

Can anything happen when driver is factored into the equation? Absolutely... but the 99-04 GT is the faster car, on average, by several tenths.

[cantonracer]

Originally Posted by Anubis

Finally, someone who has some damn sense.

The 99 3.8 V6 Mustang made 190 hp...the later year of that run made 193 hp and the new 4.0 V6's make 210 hp.

It is not uncommon to have the new 4.0 V6's running 14's stock.

[Blainestang]

Originally Posted by Driversound

Beware of the 89-95 5.0L. As previous owners of a few mustangs, people don't leave the 5.0's stock.

Not to mention that a 5.0 LX 5-speed that's been taken care of will easily run right with an Si, stock vs. stock.

Originally Posted by Driversound

I believe the V6 puts out 150hp at 200lbs of torque.

94-98: ~150hp, ~220 ft*lb --- Not worth talking about
99-04: ~190hp, ~225 ft*lb --- Careful with 5-speeds if you can't drive your Si
05-08: ~210hp, ~240 ft*lb --- 5-speeds have gone high 14's


Edit: Obviously, this reply took me too long haha

[Driversound]

Originally Posted by cantonracer

The 99 3.8 V6 Mustang made 190 hp...the later year of that run made 193 hp and the new 4.0 V6's make 210 hp.

It is not uncommon to have the new 4.0 V6's running 14's stock.

I don't think so. The V8 were doing 14's stock, the V6 don't. Too much weight to overcome. At least not the older ones. (99-04)

[Anubis]

Originally Posted by Driversound

I don't think so. The V8 were doing 14's stock, the V6 don't. Too much weight to overcome. At least not the older ones. (99-04)

he is talking about the new 05+ v6's with the 4.0 not the 99-04 with the 3.8, and yes they run 14s easily. The 05+ v8's in the mid to low 13's stock.

[NIGHTHAWKSI]

Originally Posted by Anubis

he is talking about the new 05+ v6's with the 4.0 not the 99-04 with the 3.8, and yes they run 14s easily. The 05+ v8's in the mid to low 13's stock.

are you talking consitantly?
because IIRC,
the SI is a mid-high 14 second car (average)
the 05+ v6 is about the same
but the 05+ v8 @ mid-low 13 seconds....i dont know about that. i need a few dyno slips to prove this. i cna understand averaging around 13.5-14, but consistantly below 13.5...i doubt that.

[Anubis]

Originally Posted by NIGHTHAWKSI

are you talking consitantly?
because IIRC,
the SI is a mid-high 14 second car (average)
the 05+ v6 is about the same
but the 05+ v8 @ mid-low 13 seconds....i dont know about that. i need a few dyno slips to prove this. i cna understand averaging around 13.5-14, but consistantly below 13.5...i doubt that.

You sound about right on most of it. The new gt's are running very close to what ls1's used to run 13.3-13.5 with a MTX. I have seen worse times but typically or avg is ~ mid 13's. ATX gt's are high 13's though iirc usually.

[Blainestang]

Originally Posted by Driversound

I don't think so. The V8 were doing 14's stock, the V6 don't. Too much weight to overcome. At least not the older ones. (99-04)

We're saying that 05+ V6's are capable of high 14's.

...Although, Evan Smith, driver extraordinare, managed to drive a 99-04 V6 5-speed to a 14.94. The only change from stock was removing the spare tire, IIRC. That's never been duplicated, though... which is why I wouldn't claim they are high 14-second cars.

Oh, and the 99-04 V6's don't weigh as much as you may think. Mine weighed ~2995lbs when stock, according to shipping weight.

[cantonracer]

Originally Posted by NIGHTHAWKSI

are you talking consitantly?
because IIRC,
the SI is a mid-high 14 second car (average)
the 05+ v6 is about the same
but the 05+ v8 @ mid-low 13 seconds....i dont know about that. i need a few dyno slips to prove this. i cna understand averaging around 13.5-14, but consistantly below 13.5...i doubt that.

What my wife's car made with very low miles...since then it has broken in.

It also ran 13.6's-13.7's@102-103 mph in almost 3000' of DA.

I figure the car has 13.3's@105-106 mph in it with some practice and nice weather...maybe better.

Car is stock.

[twistedframe]

Ok I have to chime in here. Does anybody really care if some Honda fanboy thinks his Si can beat a GT? Does it really affect your life in any way? I honestly do not see the need for a thread like this. You can talk about stats all day long (and alot of people do) but the only way to find out who will win a race is to race. That is what the "Race Related" section is for, real sanctioned racing. Whether you like drag racing, drifting, auto crossing or rally racing, thats what this forum is meant for. It is not meant to be a place where a bunch of people argue about which factory car will beat another factory car. I don't mean to offend anybody but these threads are really starting to get old.
/rant

[Anubis]

^^^ I agree

[NIGHTHAWKSI]

Originally Posted by cantonracer

What my wife's car made with very low miles...since then it has broken in.

It also ran 13.6's-13.7's@102-103 mph in almost 3000' of DA.

I figure the car has 13.3's@105-106 mph in it with some practice and nice weather...maybe better.

Car is stock.

as stated earlier in the thread, we need to consider the average of what these cars run. one person with alot of practice can do that, sure fine. but there is also a person on this forum that has ran a 14.92 stock. but that doesnt mean that all will.

[2fast4u2]

Originally Posted by twistedframe

Ok I have to chime in here. Does anybody really care if some Honda fanboy thinks his Si can beat a GT? Does it really affect your life in any way? I honestly do not see the need for a thread like this. You can talk about stats all day long (and alot of people do) but the only way to find out who will win a race is to race. That is what the "Race Related" section is for, real sanctioned racing. Whether you like drag racing, drifting, auto crossing or rally racing, thats what this forum is meant for. It is not meant to be a place where a bunch of people argue about which factory car will beat another factory car. I don't mean to offend anybody but these threads are really starting to get old.
/rant

and on that note....