Finally!! 13's in my SI

[ibanez37]

Holy shit, peak power has nothing to do with this argument. Who cares if the NA or FI cars have the same peak power it is about power THROUGHOUT THE RPM RANGE! This is what shark was trying to get at so please slow4dr I don't care how many "built cars" you've had or how many dyno's you've done with the "turbo turned down", that is a really retarded generalization to make. There are certain characteristics about NA and FI power delivery that USUALLY make NA a better route, but not enough to make it a generalization like you have done.

[ibanez37]

Originally Posted by slow4drsi

I'M CONFUSED SO IF I HAVE I/H/E AND IM RUNING 14.5-14.6 IN 1/4 MILE I DON'T NEED A REFLASH TO RUN 13.9-13.8???

You just proved my point. The reflash optimized the power/powerband in which you are in throughout the 1/4 mile. You run faster. Case closed.

[Shark Tek]

Originally Posted by slow4drsi

I'M CONFUSED SO IF I HAVE I/H/E AND IM RUNING 14.5-14.6 IN 1/4 MILE I DON'T NEED A REFLASH TO RUN 13.9-13.8???

You're going to be faster, how much I don't know.

Since you will have ~30hp/30tq much sooner your start will be quicker than without the reflash.

[slow4drsi]

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[Shark Tek]

Originally Posted by slow4drsi

why it takes a turbo car 500whp that weigh 2000 to run high 10's when it takes a n/a car only 300whp explain pls..

That is easy, because the setup is so crappy that LAGs as a 56K Modem connection and the torque curve is worst than the MazdaSpeed3. That is the reason.


Now if you manage to make the K20Z3 engine produce his maximum torque from the low end and maintain it to the top and reduce the lag significantly then it will be a different story.

[slow4drsi]

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[Jardiniboy]

My god. This thread is going to become a N/A vs. Turbo thread.

[slow4drsi]

Originally Posted by Jardiniboy

My god. This thread is going to become a N/A vs. Turbo thread.

nah mah friend i got both turbo and allmotor cars , i like both cars n/a and turbo

[Jardiniboy]

I'm a turbo guy, but I respect people who goes the N/A route. I would go N/A but it get's expensive over time to get this amount of power. With a turbo all you have to do is up the boost but you gotta make sure your motor and it's tuned.

Here's my view why I think he got a bad time.

1. He got traction problems. Launching from a dig w/ a turbo is quite hard, because power kicks in right away. And his rear suspension is soft. (This is why people in Drag w/ a FWD car uses a stiff suspension in the rear and a wheelie bar.)
2. Car is not tuned correctly
3. Track conditions. The track may not be as great as other other people hitting 13's with N/A
4. Run slicks. As I can remember the people who ran the 13's ran using slicks not radials.
Some people might not know this but for a FF car and racing from a dig, turbo lag can be your friend.

[nbilyue]

Originally Posted by slow4drsi

I'M CONFUSED SO IF I HAVE I/H/E AND IM RUNING 14.5-14.6 IN 1/4 MILE I DON'T NEED A REFLASH TO RUN 13.9-13.8???

No you need drag radials haha. The reflash adds power between 4500 rpms and the factory vtec point. I'm not sure about you, but I am only under the factory vtec point in 1st gear. it's not going to net you half a second.

[ibanez37]

Originally Posted by slow4drsi

so anyone here can prove or a make a 250whp turbo car tune anyway u can make a any setting u can to beat a 250 n/a car which is properly tuned????same weight same driver to prove it's not only the powerband that makes diff..and ibanez37 do u have a turbo car?? if u don't have one how do u know the diff??? dyno has a reason , atleast i got it printed in a paper ,they are called documents, not some things that u herd or saw of the internet


don't hate

What are these pics supposed to prove? It has nothing to do whatsoever with the application, and it has EVERYTHING to do with power delivery. It just so happens that NA usually has a better way of delivering the power. Most times, you get people that throw a snail on the car that is much too big for the application, too much lag, and they run slow times.. yet they throw it on the dyno and put down big numbers. See MKIV Supra. The parts picked and the tuning play a big part in what power is made, but that doesn't mean that EVERY 200 hp NA car will be faster than every 200 hp FI car. There's just WAY too many factors to make such a generalization. IDC what documents you have or how many built cars you have, that's just the way it is.

[ibanez37]

BTW, sorry for the thread jack. Congrats on the 13's! I would've expected better with the FI, but I'm sure you will get some better times when you go again.

[miamichico]

Originally Posted by 07CivicMD

Finally joined the 13's club with my 07 Civic SI sedan. Ran consent 14's and with my last 2 runs hit 13.916 @99.60 60' (2.070) and 13.888 @ 98.93 60' (1.977). And still not satified until I hit the 12's so here we go again with many more upgrades to come.

Huh, thats funny, i mean congrats on your run but with 250whp, drags and all ur running 13.8-9, something is definately wrong here, check this link and click on the "fun on honda day" video and this is non turbo, yes engine mods where done but again non turbo, i spoke to this guy before because he had it posted on youtube, and he said he only had i,h,e and hondata plus drags but again NON-TURBO... congrats again but check your ride cuz its gotta be doing betta than that, atleast mid 13's or a little lower than that or so. bueno peace.

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/b...200008731d.htm

If the link dont work, just go to streetfire.net/in the search type: 06 civic si/ then go to the 2nd page and you'll see what im talking about.

[Matauz]

Originally Posted by pwrofdrm

Although he may not have said it in the most appropriate way, I have to agree with him...

Honestly, the only thing that's been holding me back from the GReddy kit is that it's not in stock in the US right now...until I read this post.

Not for nothing, I'm at 14.2 @ 98mph with a 2.2 60ft...with just DCRH and Vibrant cat-back and BFG Radials.

If I drop ~$3500 on the GReddy Turbo and all the accessories that go with it (boost gauge, wideband) just to brake a 13.8xx, I'm going to be pissed.

Your 60ft is great, but that trap is horrible. Be honest, how many gears did you miss?

Nice Im at 14.38 with catback n short ram air :P with a 2.22 60" and 97mph

[Matauz]

Originally Posted by nbilyue

As far as the reflash, it really shouldnt make you that much faster in the quarter, it only adds power in the part of the powerband you dont really use in a drag race. I have the reflash and notice a difference on the street, but not the strip.

think about 60" and if vtec kicked in quicker Im pretty sure 4th fall out passed 6000rpms to mabye even 3rd. I know on the street it would make a huge differnce on highways rippen it

[CZero]

Yeah I'd really be concerned with your car if that's all you're hitting for trap speed. Are you redlining it? Shifting quickly?
I'm at ~220 whp & 260 wtq in my gti and I'm at 13.7-13.9 @ 101-103 mph trap speed.
With 250 whp and a lighter car with better 60 fts then me (i average 2.1-2.2 on street tires) you should definitely be hitting low 13's. Good luck on figuring out what's up, you're car is definitely capable of more

[slow4drsi]

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[BigMoney8481]

mmm deff agree with equal power for n/a compared to f/i.... n/a wins 10/10 times if drivers are the same. The only difference with going f/i is that you can get 400whp without shaking a stick and 400 n/a hp 4 cyl. ( i wish it was easy to achieve ) is not feasible unless ur crazy rich and have an engineering brain better than any other car builder ever.

[slow4drsi]

http://www.8thcivic.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1525485

question for you ibanez37....

[ibanez37]

Originally Posted by ibanez37

It just so happens that NA usually has a better way of delivering the power

Do you not see what I said right here? I'm not even really disagreeing with you, I'm just saying you can't make a general statement like that. Peak whp isn't the end all be all of what 1/4 mile time you pull. I'm sure a 300 whp Mustang with bald street tires and 3.27's is not going to run as quick as a 300 whp blown Mustang with slicks, 4.10's and a nice suspension setup. All else being equal, the NA car usually will win because of better power delivert.. Not many people have F/I setups that are optimal for their application. People pay money for peak hp, not area under the curve.

PS: Can you please try to form complete sentences?