Finally!! 13's in my SI

[Shark Tek]

And the reason?

I search for an answer and the main reason that I found is lag but that is something that can be reduced to almost zero.

[nese005]

congrats on the time!

[slow4drsi]

Originally Posted by Shark Tek

Think about it again.

Turbo SI - With a setup(no lag) with more torque/hp at the low end with 230whp at the top
N/A SI - Less torque/hp at the low end with the same 230whp at the top


Are you sure that the N/A will walk away easily?

230 WHP ALLMOTOR SI WILL RUN 12.9 TO 13.5 ALLDAY
230 WHP TURBO SI WILL RUN 13.6 TO 14.3 ALLDAY
BOTH CAR WITH SLICKS

[07CivicMD]

I have the Greddy kit but have issues when I hit the VTEC with E-Management. My boost until I hit the VTEC stays stead @8lbs but looses between 2-2.5 of boost. I keep my foot on the throttle 100% between shifts but can't make up the power lose. I have DOT drag radials and my last run was given a tip from a local to start in 2nd gear, hold the brake and turn the wheels to get proper heat and that worked great. Extreme in MD installed the kit and I've had the car tuned by Extreme and SRT technologies and both shops where having issues with tuning. Apparently the E-Management is only good for fuel injector tuning and according to Greddy the VTEC and ignition are future for the K20Z3 and will release another product in the upcoming months. Soooo, that left me a decision on having 2 different piggy back systems to control fuel, VTEC and ignition. Hondata is rumored to have the K-Pro coming out early next year but I'm too impatient so I decided to go with a Haltech E8, larger injectors, larger turbo, Pauter 9.0-1 comp rods, CP pistons, walbro Fuel pump, and exedy stage 2 clutch. This will give me lower compression, aftermarket ECU that controls injectors, ignition and VTEC and a motor that can handle 500+whp. I should be pushing 11's - 12's and the biggest issue will be traction.

I have spent quite a few dollars and seem willing to spend more to help support the CIVIC cause. Most of my friends have EVO 8's and 9's and consistently remind me that I've already spent the difference between a EVO and SI. As for other out there that have SI that are hitting 13's without boost.. congrats!!

[pwrofdrm]

Originally Posted by slow4drsi

why?

Because of the idiots spreading a rediculous amount of mis-information on subjects they clearly don't know anything about.

[slow4drsi]

Originally Posted by pwrofdrm

Because of the idiots spreading a rediculous amount of mis-information on subjects they clearly don't know anything about.

explain pls , cause im an idiot

[Shark Tek]

Originally Posted by pwrofdrm

Because of the idiots spreading a rediculous amount of mis-information on subjects they clearly don't know anything about.

+1



That claim that a N/A car will be faster that the same one with a F/I setup with the same top end power.

That is not always true.


Remember that F/I can produce vast amounts of power in the mid and low end too.

[XSRCivic]

Originally Posted by slow4drsi

230 WHP ALLMOTOR SI WILL RUN 12.9 TO 13.5 ALLDAY
230 WHP TURBO SI WILL RUN 13.6 TO 14.3 ALLDAY
BOTH CAR WITH SLICKS

Oh jesus. Forget it.

[whtdvl]

all of you guys that are knockin this guy are a bunch of idiots...this guy is excited that he broke into the 13's and all ya'll can say is...
you should be going faster...
i could do better....
i did better n/a...

so what....he is happy about his car and wanted to share his happiness..i'm glad i don't have an Si..if i did and i modded it i wouldn't share my success with ya'll

07civicMD- congrats on your car hitting 13's...thats cool..best of luck on your way to quicker times

[slow4drsi]

so were u get this from reading other people's post or personal experience?,,i just happened to have similar car one allmotor and one turbo , base on the track time and dyno my allmotor car ran faster than my turbo car..example a car that weights 2000 lbs with 300 whp allmotor will run high 10's lo 11's, a 300whp turbo car with the same weight will run mid to low 12's ?????????

[Shark Tek]

Originally Posted by slow4drsi

so were u get this from reading other people's post or personal experience?,,i just happened to have similar car one allmotor and one turbo , base on the track time and dyno my allmotor car ran faster than my turbo car..example a car that weights 2000 lbs with 300 whp allmotor will run high 10's lo 11's, a 300whp turbo car with the same weight will run mid to low 12's ?????????

That is true if

*The turbo suffer from a lot of LAG

*Torque curve is very poor

[jameslewis178]

so what is your boost at and what does it fall of too?

[jameslewis178]

you should check into the new v-manage. see if that works for your car

[JeShUa]

Originally Posted by Shark Tek

You mean that two FG2 one turbo the other N/A both with same top end power.

The turbo one with a good setup will get beated by the N/A?

Even if the turbo one have a lot of power sooner than the N/A and the same top end whp?

Are you really sure ???

Thats rarely going to happen. Plus even if the curves were almost exact, there is boost lag. And as most have said, those seem like some terrible times for the power you're pushing.

[BigMoney8481]

I say congratulations. you're having fun with your car and that's all that matters. U'll dial in your car with each pass you make. just keep having fun with it and don't let anyone on this forum tell you any different.

[skiddy]

Originally Posted by audiophile

Same car, n/a 200whp will be faster than f/i 200whp...

I SAID SAME CAR , MAKE A ALLMOTOR GTI WITH SAME WHP N/A WILL WALK WITH NO PROBLEM..AND GTI HAS A LOT OF TQ,IM TALKING BOUT SI

F/I includes superchargers, and if you've seen the dyno of a a blown SI, it's about as linear of a powerband as you get. I don't see how N/A would have any advantage over this.

As for turbos, power is power. 230whp @ 7800rpm is still ~155ft-lbs no matter where the work comes from. The disadvantage you're going to have with a turbo will obviously be lag, and the abundance of low-end torque on a FWD car which will cause serious traction issues. Claiming 200whp N/A is faster than 200whp turbo'd just isn't a correct generalization. For all we know extra torque in 1st gear or throughout other areas in the powerband can help makeup for the lag. A turbo'd SI is nearly guaranteed to have higher peak torque than N/A even if the HP is exactly the same. The two cars of course would have to have very different torque curves.

[strCIVIC]

all i can say is that your car is not properly tuned yet. people who are arguing which is better " N/A or BOOSTED" read the august issue of SUPER STREET MAGAZINE ..

[slow4drsi]

Originally Posted by skiddy

F/I includes superchargers, and if you've seen the dyno of a a blown SI, it's about as linear of a powerband as you get. I don't see how N/A would have any advantage over this.

As for turbos, power is power. 230whp @ 7800rpm is still ~155ft-lbs no matter where the work comes from. The disadvantage you're going to have with a turbo will obviously be lag, and the abundance of low-end torque on a FWD car which will cause serious traction issues. Claiming 200whp N/A is faster than 200whp turbo'd just isn't a correct generalization. For all we know extra torque in 1st gear or throughout other areas in the powerband can help makeup for the lag. A turbo'd SI is nearly guaranteed to have higher peak torque than N/A even if the HP is exactly the same. The two cars of course would have to have very different torque curves.

i surrender , were talking bout turbo ,supercharger is diff story, i can't win againts people who base there believes by reading other people's post or what they heard ,go get a turbo car and n/a car take them to the dyno make sure u turn down the turbo to match a n/a car numbers ,then run then both@ the track , then u tell me.. peak whp don't mean that much , good example is reflash , it will give u like what 3-4whp @ the peak, won't u agree that a car that have a reflash is faster??than the car with the same peak whp??

[nbilyue]

As far as the reflash, it really shouldnt make you that much faster in the quarter, it only adds power in the part of the powerband you dont really use in a drag race. I have the reflash and notice a difference on the street, but not the strip.

[slow4drsi]

Originally Posted by nbilyue

As far as the reflash, it really shouldnt make you that much faster in the quarter, it only adds power in the part of the powerband you dont really use in a drag race. I have the reflash and notice a difference on the street, but not the strip.

I'M CONFUSED SO IF I HAVE I/H/E AND IM RUNING 14.5-14.6 IN 1/4 MILE I DON'T NEED A REFLASH TO RUN 13.9-13.8???