Cobalt SS vs Civic SI

[phatnackyss]

Originally Posted by dualdiagnosis

To all si owners.....don't worry. Our cars are almost 200 horse n/a. I certainly don't lose any sleep over a supercharged cobalt. I just would hate to have a supercharged car barely making over 200 horse. Anyways after my 100 shot o spray.....it will be quite laughable (for me anyways).

just for the record
we get our hp from the supercharger.
you get yours from high compresson and reving really high.
both good ways of making power.
and our cars dont barely make over 200hp the ss dynos stock at about 205-215 to the wheels bone stock, wich is about 230 240 + at the crank, were as the si is rated at 195(i think) at the crank.oh and 100shot with 11:1 compresspon on a stock motor eh? you have fun scooping your pistions out of your oil pan...( im not saying a stock k cant handle 100hp over stock, im just saying nitrous is harsh , going from stock hp to 100 over in a flip of a switch puts alot of strain on any engine, even with a prgressive set up id be worried)

now im not saying one car is better than the other. im just saying get your facts stright befor you speak ,i think both cars are about equal. the si makes less power , but it makes up for it with colse gear ratios and high redline.the cobalt is a tad faster stock, but in short... its a chevy, it probly wont last as long. as said befor each car has its weak points and strong point. i think in drag, auto-x,road or what ever, a stock si vs a stock ss would be a drivers race.

[dualdiagnosis]

Ummm, don't want this to be a flame war, but do your research. There are guys running 100 shots on this motor with no issues. I don't plan on going through a bottle everyday on this car, so I am not worried about my pistons. Besides.... supercharged, turbo, or nitrous all put strain on your motor. Used sparingly, nitrous will not be any harder on your engine than a mildly boosted setup. Ever heard of window switches....meaning nitrous is only used in a certain "window" of rpms??? This allows for safe use.

And in my opinion, 230 horse......is still barely over 200. You may disagree, but that is the way I see it. Like I said before, your car is FI, where mine is NA.....high compression or not.

[phatnackyss]

Originally Posted by dualdiagnosis

Ummm, don't want this to be a flame war, but do your research. There are guys running 100 shots on this motor with no issues. I don't plan on going through a bottle everyday on this car, so I am not worried about my pistons. Besides.... supercharged, turbo, or nitrous all put strain on your motor. Used sparingly, nitrous will not be any harder on your engine than a mildly boosted setup. Ever heard of window switches....meaning nitrous is only used in a certain "window" of rpms??? This allows for safe use.

And in my opinion, 230 horse......is still barely over 200. You may disagree, but that is the way I see it. Like I said before, your car is FI, where mine is NA.....high compression or not.

Yes i have heard of window switches, i ran nitrous on my last car. a window switch wont help. what im talking about is the sudden surge form 0-100hp , were as with turbo or superchargers the hp is ramped up, instead of all coming in one shot all of a sudden. its like a silly putty, if you pull it slowly gradually adding presser it will stretch and not break, were as if you just suddenly pull hard with all your force at once it snaps in half. or how impact guns use sudden rapid burst of tq to break bolts loose.
and yes i know all fi puts strain on all engines , but what im getting at is that you alredy have 11:1 compression 100shot of nitrous is going to send cylinder presser thro the roof. im not trying to knock you , idk much about the K20Z3,but that just sounds like alot strain. with that high of a ratio your walking on egg shells, any thing goes wrong, injector or spark misfires or fuel pressure suddenly drops, any kind of detonation and Catastrophic failure can happen. like i said not trying to start anything ..just a heads up

[junkcheung1]

[firmhonda]

Originally Posted by phatnackyss

and our cars dont barely make over 200hp the ss dynos stock at about 205-215 to the wheels bone stock, wich is about 230 240 + at the crank.....as said befor each car has its weak points and strong point. i think in drag, auto-x,road or what ever, a stock si vs a stock ss would be a drivers race.

Thank you very much for saying this.. I get really tired of being the only one that realizes the ss/sc and ion redline were seriously underrated from the factory.. It's always nice to have an ss/sc or ion rl owner around here that can point that out.

BTW, I also thank you for being cool and not just flaming away.. That goes to you and dualdiagnosis, thanks for not just flaming each other.

[fg66]

Our NA should not be compared to these FI cars technically. But, they do cause they know that these NA cars got just as much potential as these FI cars.

[Dwn4nythng]

Anyone who loses to either of these cars suck as a driver. I OWNED every car I raced in my SI. I'll eat a Cobalt SS for breakfast. Test me and find out the hard way.

[GlxyGry06Si]

Originally Posted by Dwn4nythng

Anyone who loses to either of these cars suck as a driver. I OWNED every car I raced in my SI. I'll eat a Cobalt SS for breakfast. Test me and find out the hard way.

is it just me or are you cocky all the time about your car. also in the location you have "patience is a virtue in the modding world." now either you are just not modding cuz ur broke or your waiting on a redline supercharger. i would guess the former. You owned every car you raced? now when i go to the track or race someone and we pull over to talk the last thing on my mind is bragging or saying the phrase owned. i will say i beat someone but to use the computer phrase owned says to me that you are pretty immature. please quit acting cocky. i dont want to get in an argument but its getting pretty darn rediculious when i get on any other threads and you are talking about whipping everythings butt. then if not to top yourself off you go "test me and find out the hard way". Do you live your life a quarter mile at a time? this is just my nice way of saying chill out before someone with less patience comes along a embarrasses you really bad.

sry to take us off topic.

[phatnackyss]

Originally Posted by Dwn4nythng

Anyone who loses to either of these cars suck as a driver. I OWNED every car I raced in my SI. I'll eat a Cobalt SS for breakfast. Test me and find out the hard way.

and let me guess you shit cavaliers?

[GlxyGry06Si]

Originally Posted by phatnackyss

and let me guess you shit cavaliers?

duhhhhhhhhh

[datbacker59]

what about cobalt ss turbocharged stock???

[phatnackyss]

Originally Posted by datbacker59

what about cobalt ss turbocharged stock???

holy dead thread batman!



well have to see what happens when they start to hit dealers in late may.

[nbilyue]

I am so curious about those. One of my best friends has a SS/SC and he is pissed about 2 things. 1. I ordered a supercharger for my Si 2. That they are releasing a turbo ss and he doesn't want to trade his car in.

[CivicEX08]

Originally Posted by nbilyue

I am so curious about those. One of my best friends has a SS/SC and he is pissed about 2 things. 1. I ordered a supercharger for my Si 2. That they are releasing a turbo ss and he doesn't want to trade his car in.

My friend wishes he had a way to buy the turbocharged Cobalt without trading in his SS S/C Cobalt. But straight up, the Cobalt SS S/C should beat the Civic Si hands down. Dang thing is quick!

[jeremy0203]

ill smoke a slobalt ss sc

[phatnackyss]

Originally Posted by jeremy0203

ill smoke a slobalt ss sc

yes indeed you would.

its been asked amillion times , but what dose a sc si run. has anyone with a comptech ever been to the track with it ?

[Snake-eyes]

wow its a pissing match in here!!!

who cares...both are sporty econo cars and are good.

[nbilyue]

I have only seen one guy, he had drag radial though and ran 13.1

[nayilsi]

Cobalt SS S/C looks rugged !!!.....the wheel size and tires are awesome....My dad and I were staring at one...

I don't know why....but I have always liked Japanese cars and the reliability.

My dad on the other hand is crazy about the comfort features of American cars.....

Bottomline.....Cobalt SS S/c looks great....Its probably faster than the Si thanks to S/C....But overall reliability & fun to drive 8k is all I wanted.

For me .... its more fun than Muscles + Evos + Stis +350z.....8K vtec engine is awesome. I might not be fast.....but heck Il enjoy every single mile.

[sheek360]

Originally Posted by Si 07

thats pretty impressive




heh, where brute force means less, than overall performance?

civic =
cobalt =

not really, im not impressed. id be more impressed if a LSJ owner can take there car outta the hole.

the si's launch nicely due to the lack of tq and 2nd and 3rd fly by fast thnx 2 ur gearing.... fwd plus instant boost from a supercharger arnt the best combinations. stock 4 stock the sssc is definately faster, but outta the hole she'll hop waaaay to much if its under command of a driver that doesnt have the necissary experiance to launch it correctly.

Originally Posted by firmhonda

lol. That's no good man.

Anyways, ss/sc's are actually really impressive if the driver actually can handle all the power at launch that goes along with a supercharged fwd car. I don't know if sheek still posts here or not, but I remember him talking about a tune that cut boost in first gear so that people could actually launch decently and the numbers went up drastically because of that.

sheek lurks..... lol yeah dude, i got boost progressingly building in first throughout the power band. even though im on about 18 psi i tuned out boost to see a max of maybe 12-14 psi.

Originally Posted by firmhonda

Please tell me that you google'd stiffy.

[edit]

I also find it very hard to believe that an ss/sc outhandled a mazda mx5. I'm usually the one that sticks up for ss/sc's and ion redlines, but I won't say something like that for a good reason.. I highly doubt it's true. If it was published, they were paid to publish it. The mx5 is a wonderfully handling car and is known to be one of the best "point and shoot" cars on the market.

im sorry but theres no way a lsj can out handle an mx5.... just no way, atleast stock 4 stock. maybe the lsj pulled a better track time cuz of straight aways.... i know 4 a fact those mx5's are glued

Originally Posted by dc5rn

i had a cobalt before...stock dyno was 210whp.... and then i upgraded to a stage 5 intense set up.[.. 280whp at 22lbs of boost... yeah cobalts are faster but the biggest POS... Si, worth every penny :)

those tunes run so lean and way to much timing. u shouldve done ur homework on that one, or asked someone for a custom tune.

Originally Posted by dc5rn

i didnt use the intense tune that was a joke...i used hp- tuners and a redline of 8300... ~> yea that was dumb.. only had the car for 3weeks after this setup

wtf? 8192rpm is the limit on the hp tuners software dude...... i smell something..... u wouldve outflowed ur maf waaaaay past 11k hz..... i still smell it....

Originally Posted by Spoony

Got rid of it bc of reliability issues? of course it was unreliable

In an earlier post you called the Cobalt a POS...I'm really not too sure if you can call a car a PoS when you up the revlimiter past what the drive train can actually handle, ran open headers with flames shootin out the back and f'ed the axles (likely from wheelhop) and clutch up.

Seriously dude, 8300 is an increase of 1850 over the stock revlimiter...try adding that to your Civic SI without modifying the valvetrain and see what happens. It sounds like you were expecting a bit much out of a car that costs this much.

Out of curiousity, what mods do you have done to your SI?

lol he beat the crap out of it, then blames it on american quality LMFAO!

Originally Posted by Dwn4nythng

Anyone who loses to either of these cars suck as a driver. I OWNED every car I raced in my SI. I'll eat a Cobalt SS for breakfast. Test me and find out the hard way.

u r my favorite civic owner i swear.....