Cobalt SS vs Civic SI

[iomatic]

You may be right, but: poor grammar FTL!!!

Originally Posted by phatnackyss

why dose everyone think the ss cant handle...the thing was built to handle , the suspension tuning was refined at Nurburgring, the SS time attak car handed everones ass at the Toyo Tires Time Attack.and the ss has been pretty high up in the rankings in grand am cup . and im not trying to thro any stones , but in car and driver the SS out handled the Si and GTI ,mustang gt and mazda mx5 . i cant find the article online but its from the 06 oct or november issue ...

[firmhonda]

Originally Posted by Aeth SI

Thanks for the intelligent response, I looked it up after I asked the question.

Please tell me that you google'd stiffy.

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I also find it very hard to believe that an ss/sc outhandled a mazda mx5. I'm usually the one that sticks up for ss/sc's and ion redlines, but I won't say something like that for a good reason.. I highly doubt it's true. If it was published, they were paid to publish it. The mx5 is a wonderfully handling car and is known to be one of the best "point and shoot" cars on the market.

[06blaksi]

1. stiffy

(n)
1 an erection of the penis, Syn. boner, hard-on.
2. stiffy

A slang term for boner or erection

3. stiffy

An erection.

I plugged her crotch-wound with my stiffy.

[ak_balla]

^^^hahahaha. but a friend of my friend bought a ss cobalt (dont know whether it is ths sc ss) and i was wondering their performance numbers.

[Aeth SI]

Originally Posted by firmhonda

Please tell me that you google'd stiffy.

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I did

J/K just a search here.

[Snake-eyes]

who cares? if he beats you tap your dash and yell loudly.. At least my shit isnt made by fisher price

[Spoony]

Originally Posted by firmhonda

Please tell me that you google'd stiffy.

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I also find it very hard to believe that an ss/sc outhandled a mazda mx5. I'm usually the one that sticks up for ss/sc's and ion redlines, but I won't say something like that for a good reason.. I highly doubt it's true. If it was published, they were paid to publish it. The mx5 is a wonderfully handling car and is known to be one of the best "point and shoot" cars on the market.

I believe the article people are referencing is Car and Driver's lightning lap...they basically took a bunch of cars and time'd them going around VIR.

http://www.caranddriver.com/features...-lap-2006.html

They praised the handling, but the car's straight line performance translated into the slowest lap time in its bracket. Running the cars around an actual race track with both straights and turns is IMO a very good way to gauge performance and I wish they'd do these types of comparo's more often.

If you havn't already you should give it a read...interesting article, would make me cry if I owned a mustang tho.

[phatnackyss]

Originally Posted by Snake-eyes

who cares? if he beats you tap your dash and yell loudly.. At least my shit isnt made by fisher price

atlest i can tap my dash without leveing scuff marks ....hehe jk all in good fun.

why all the hate between the ss/sc and si .each car has its strong points and weak points. im gonna say its a drivers race between the two cars stock.
one thing iv noticed lately is, alot of ss drivers are young kids that just dont know how to drive .slowest iv ran stock was 14.8 yet i see stage 2 cobalts at the track running 15s

[firmhonda]

Originally Posted by Spoony

I believe the article people are referencing is Car and Driver's lightning lap...they basically took a bunch of cars and time'd them going around VIR.

http://www.caranddriver.com/features...-lap-2006.html

They praised the handling, but the car's straight line performance translated into the slowest lap time in its bracket. Running the cars around an actual race track with both straights and turns is IMO a very good way to gauge performance and I wish they'd do these types of comparo's more often.

If you havn't already you should give it a read...interesting article, would make me cry if I owned a mustang tho.

Aaahhhh yes, the miata's downfall for ages, it's slow in a straight line. The good thing? Mazda is fixing it with their new 300hp turbocharged miata. That thing, without a doubt, will be fantastic.

I'll definitely have to give that a read when I have a little more time.

[firmhonda]

Originally Posted by phatnackyss

why all the hate between the ss/sc and si .each car has its strong points and weak points. im gonna say its a drivers race between the two cars stock.
one thing iv noticed lately is, alot of ss drivers are young kids that just dont know how to drive .slowest iv ran stock was 14.8 yet i see stage 2 cobalts at the track running 15s

I don't know what the hate is all about man. GM has drastically improved over the last few years and they just don't get credit for it by most import fans. It seems as if people see the cobalt ss/sc and in their heads it's the same as a beretta z26 or something.. When in reality the ss/sc's and ion redlines were underrated from the factory and actually handle quite well after the driver learns how to manage the wheelspin.

I personally have yet to see an ss/sc at the track run anything better than a 15.5, but that was after sitting and spinning the tires.. giving up.. bogging down in second.. then finally getting somewhere.

[dc5rn]

i had a cobalt before...stock dyno was 210whp.... and then i upgraded to a stage 5 intense set up.[.. 280whp at 22lbs of boost... yeah cobalts are faster but the biggest POS... Si, worth every penny :)

[dc5rn]

Originally Posted by firmhonda

I don't know what the hate is all about man. GM has drastically improved over the last few years and they just don't get credit for it by most import fans. It seems as if people see the cobalt ss/sc and in their heads it's the same as a beretta z26 or something.. When in reality the ss/sc's and ion redlines were underrated from the factory and actually handle quite well after the driver learns how to manage the wheelspin.

I personally have yet to see an ss/sc at the track run anything better than a 15.5, but that was after sitting and spinning the tires.. giving up.. bogging down in second.. then finally getting somewhere.

prolly didnt havethe performance pkage= no quafie lsd/ recaro seats

[Spoony]

Originally Posted by dc5rn

i had a cobalt before...stock dyno was 210whp.... and then i upgraded to a stage 5 intense set up.[.. 280whp at 22lbs of boost... yeah cobalts are faster but the biggest POS... Si, worth every penny :)

I'd expect this coming from someone who went with a canned intense tune...the guys over on Cobaltss.net have had a *lot* of trouble with intense's tunes.

[Spoony]

Originally Posted by firmhonda

Aaahhhh yes, the miata's downfall for ages, it's slow in a straight line. The good thing? Mazda is fixing it with their new 300hp turbocharged miata. That thing, without a doubt, will be fantastic.

I'll definitely have to give that a read when I have a little more time.

So mazda is throwing turbo's at everything except the Rx-8....that makes me a sad panda.

[firmhonda]

Originally Posted by dc5rn

prolly didnt havethe performance pkage= no quafie lsd/ recaro seats

Yeah, if you ask me that was the only downfall in the ss/sc's and ion redlines.. They should've had the lsd stock. Well, that was the only downfall for the ss/sc's at least (huge wing aside), but the retarded 3 stage shift light on competition package equipped ion rl's is just... stupid. Not to mention I hate the cluster placement.

I've said it before, I'll say it again.. If I could have the interior to the ss/sc while having the exterior of the ion redline I would be happy.

[dc5rn]

Originally Posted by firmhonda

Yeah, if you ask me that was the only downfall in the ss/sc's and ion redlines.. They should've had the lsd stock. Well, that was the only downfall for the ss/sc's at least (huge wing aside), but the retarded 3 stage shift light on competition package equipped ion rl's is just... stupid. Not to mention I hate the cluster placement.

I've said it before, I'll say it again.. If I could have the interior to the ss/sc while having the exterior of the ion redline I would be happy.

yea,no idea what the hell is up with that shift lite.. driving a rubbermade container with 4-wheels

[dc5rn]

Originally Posted by Spoony

I'd expect this coming from someone who went with a canned intense tune...the guys over on Cobaltss.net have had a *lot* of trouble with intense's tunes.

i didnt use the intense tune that was a joke...i used hp- tuners and a redline of 8300... ~> yea that was dumb.. only had the car for 3weeks after this setup

[Spoony]

Originally Posted by dc5rn

i didnt use the intense tune that was a joke...i used hp- tuners and a redline of 8300... ~> yea that was dumb.. only had the car for 3weeks after this setup

8300? don't valves start to float after 7200ish with the stock valvetrain?

Sounds like you had a fair bit of work done (or you broke alot of shit)

Edit: I'd agree with the comment on the LSD, my Balt doesn't have it and there are times I wish it was there. I'd say if you're going to the track alot you need it. For daily driving its not so important. Right now my mods are Stage 2 + GMPP exhaust manifold / cat-back exhaust, I'm pretty happy with the car right now, but LSD would be the next thing to go in if I decided to mod any further.

[dc5rn]

Originally Posted by Spoony

8300? don't valves start to float after 7200ish with the stock valvetrain?

Sounds like you had a fair bit of work done (or you broke alot of shit)

Edit: I'd agree with the comment on the LSD, my Balt doesn't have it and there are times I wish it was there. I'd say if you're going to the track alot you need it. For daily driving its not so important. Right now my mods are Stage 2 + GMPP exhaust manifold / cat-back exhaust, I'm pretty happy with the car right now, but LSD would be the next thing to go in if I decided to mod any further.

yep they started to float around that.. i heard around 7000 too... yeah i did a lot of work to it,but it was just too much... didnt have an exhaust... open pipe headers back... ran rich enough, i had blue flames shootin out the back end...F*ed up axles and clutch after 500miles...

got rid of it bc of reliabilty issues

[Spoony]

Originally Posted by dc5rn

yep they started to float around that.. i heard around 7000 too... yeah i did a lot of work to it,but it was just too much... didnt have an exhaust... open pipe headers back... ran rich enough, i had blue flames shootin out the back end...F*ed up axles and clutch after 500miles...

got rid of it bc of reliabilty issues

Got rid of it bc of reliability issues? of course it was unreliable

In an earlier post you called the Cobalt a POS...I'm really not too sure if you can call a car a PoS when you up the revlimiter past what the drive train can actually handle, ran open headers with flames shootin out the back and f'ed the axles (likely from wheelhop) and clutch up.

Seriously dude, 8300 is an increase of 1850 over the stock revlimiter...try adding that to your Civic SI without modifying the valvetrain and see what happens. It sounds like you were expecting a bit much out of a car that costs this much.

Out of curiousity, what mods do you have done to your SI?