Cobalt SS vs Civic SI

[firmhonda]

Originally Posted by Tennpenn83

to each his own

Kind of ironic that you would post this after "insulting" the civic si, isn't it?

I would think that after the fanboys cleared out it was definitely shown that respect is given towards ion rl's and ss/sc's, but for some reason you decided to point out the flaws in the si.

I mean, we could all do that with any car out there.. The ms3 doesn't get fresh air for shit so in real life conditions it only makes about 225whp on a good day. The rx8 handles badass but drinks oil and gets garbage gas mileage.. The 135i is underrated and with a tune makes close to 400whp, but god forbid anything ever fail on it because it's so expensive to fix. The ion RL is a badass little car but 98% of the owners don't know how to drive one so I have yet to see one run under a 15.5, due to spinning through 1st and bogging in 2nd.

There's no reason to come in here and insult cars man.. Hopefully you can ignore the fanboys that can't get over the H badge long enough to recognize a nice car and notice that a lot of us actually respect and like your car.

I would also hate to point it out, but your post sounded almost as fanboy as some of the pro-honda posts in here. How is that better?

[Anubis]

Originally Posted by Tennpenn83

wow, i can't believe i just read through 179 posts on a topic that i have seen 100 times before

si will win when you go to trade your car in and you get more for your trade. (as long as you don't sit in your car and touch anything inside)

si will win in consumer reports reviews (as long as you don't shift your transmission, especially into 3rd gear)

cobalt ss will win because it gets the LNF 260hp/260tq later this year

ion redline will win because in 10 years, it still won't have any dents or rust

ummm ok....that post was helpful. How about noone wins as its the consumer's choice which car to buy because THEY like it. I am a car enthusiast, but please don't point out negatives of a car, and imply the others are perfect. I believe Firm pointed out most of this already, but you need to keep an open mind about "cars" in general, because your arguments make you look very childish.

And for what it's worth I got $18,500 on my trade for my civic, and I sat in my car for 11,000 miles.

[Tennpenn83]

Originally Posted by firmhonda

Kind of ironic that you would post this after "insulting" the civic si, isn't it?

I would think that after the fanboys cleared out it was definitely shown that respect is given towards ion rl's and ss/sc's, but for some reason you decided to point out the flaws in the si.

I mean, we could all do that with any car out there.. The ms3 doesn't get fresh air for shit so in real life conditions it only makes about 225whp on a good day. The rx8 handles badass but drinks oil and gets garbage gas mileage.. The 135i is underrated and with a tune makes close to 400whp, but god forbid anything ever fail on it because it's so expensive to fix. The ion RL is a badass little car but 98% of the owners don't know how to drive one so I have yet to see one run under a 15.5, due to spinning through 1st and bogging in 2nd.

There's no reason to come in here and insult cars man.. Hopefully you can ignore the fanboys that can't get over the H badge long enough to recognize a nice car and notice that a lot of us actually respect and like your car.

I would also hate to point it out, but your post sounded almost as fanboy as some of the pro-honda posts in here. How is that better?

Originally Posted by Anubis

ummm ok....that post was helpful. How about noone wins as its the consumer's choice which car to buy because THEY like it. I am a car enthusiast, but please don't point out negatives of a car, and imply the others are perfect. I believe Firm pointed out most of this already, but you need to keep an open mind about "cars" in general, because your arguments make you look very childish.

And for what it's worth I got $18,500 on my trade for my civic, and I sat in my car for 11,000 miles.

Alright, guys, i wasn't trying to be an a$$hole or start any shit (it WAS 1:30am when i wrote it) I say to each his own because that's how i feel. I came on this board asking questions about the SI, especially the sedan. I have nothing but respect for your cars, really. If they get the tranny problem solved, then I'll probably sign for a SI sedan.

I could sit here and write about all the negatives on the Delta platform if you want.

Saturn Ion RL is plastic, inside and out. ION ftl. I don't have any dents or rust, and probably never will, but I hear squeaks and whatnot over harsh roads where i probably wouldn't hear that in the civic.

Resale value is horrible. I went in one time to get a ball-park figure of what my car would be worth at trade-in, they only offered me 11k. At a Saturn dealership, no less.

Interior is about as non-luxury as it gets. It has just enough gauges to get the job done, that's about it. (Only speedo, fuel, engine temp and a tach that lags about 500 rpm behind in 1st and 2nd gear). However, the interior, plastic-ky as it may be, still looks brand new because of how tough it is.

The rear spoiler is tacky. Not my style, but it came with the car. At highway speed, it wobbles "like an epileptic hula dancer" (car and driver, 2006). On bumpy roads, it is even worse. Closing the trunk requires you to guide it down so it won't slam too hard, for fear of the spoiler bouncing right off.

I could go on... I have many complaints, but I still love the car, it's fun to drive, handles well, and responds well to minor mods. About the only complaints I have heard and read about the SI is its lack of torque, its interior wears down fast and its tranny has a 3rd gear problem. Not enough to deter me from still being interested.

IF I came across like a fanboi, my bad. Wasn't my intention. (was actually trying to be a little humorous... guess it didnt work. I may or may not have been a little drunk last night...and I may or may not have a killer hangover right now)

[sheek360]

omg.... if u inject some roids into a liger... maybe 2 of em.... and have em pull a gutted lotus.... it would pwn every civic n LSJ ever...... i mean, whos gonna want to race a guy thats getting towed by buff ligers? not me

[firmhonda]

Originally Posted by Tennpenn83

IF I came across like a fanboi, my bad. Wasn't my intention. (was actually trying to be a little humorous... guess it didnt work. I may or may not have been a little drunk last night...and I may or may not have a killer hangover right now)

Nah man, my bad. I can completely understand why you made the post you did (whether it was meant to be humurous or not). I shouldn't have jumped back at you like that and I apologize. We've had a lot of anti civic trolls in the past so when I see a post like that I generally just jump to conclusions. I honestly thought that you were just trying to flame civics and talk up rl's..

Please feel free to stick around and post, I hope me being an asshole doesn't deter you.

Originally Posted by sheek360

omg.... if u inject some roids into a liger... maybe 2 of em.... and have em pull a gutted lotus.... it would pwn every civic n LSJ ever...... i mean, whos gonna want to race a guy thats getting towed by buff ligers? not me

GTFO

[nayilsi]

oh god!!!!!!!

whats going on here.....

beating a dead horse...and getting it back to life....beating to death again......................................

[nayilsi]

Originally Posted by sheek360

omg.... if u inject some roids into a liger... maybe 2 of em.... and have em pull a gutted lotus.... it would pwn every civic n LSJ ever...... i mean, whos gonna want to race a guy thats getting towed by buff ligers? not me

so wer talkin abt ligers now ????


SUMBUUDAAYYY lock this crap up

[BV1]

^^ This shoud help:

[Tennpenn83]

Originally Posted by firmhonda

Nah man, my bad. I can completely understand why you made the post you did (whether it was meant to be humurous or not). I shouldn't have jumped back at you like that and I apologize. We've had a lot of anti civic trolls in the past so when I see a post like that I generally just jump to conclusions. I honestly thought that you were just trying to flame civics and talk up rl's..

Please feel free to stick around and post, I hope me being an asshole doesn't deter you.

Don't worry about it, i'm not. Believe me, I have heard way worse than that on some forums, and that's just for driving the car i drive and not trying to troll at all... giving them absolutely no reason to jump at me.

It's really interesting, the rsx forums are truly the worst. I can't get anything said on there without someone saying F*ck you and f*ck your plastic car - RSX PWNS ALL!!!!1!!!!111!1!!11!1

[mitsukaiSI]

ill be the first to admit that im a honda fanboi however that doesnt mean that i think cobalts suck ass or that ion RL's suck ass or SRT-4 suck ass. . . and thats the thing that sucks so much but about sooo many people is that they cant realize that some cars are better than others in certain areas but that doesnt nessicerily make one better than the other . . . i PERSONALLY am not a fan of the cobalt ss/sc or the cobalt in genearal but i can admit that it is faster than my car was when i was stock same with the srt-4 im not a huge fan of dodge in general nor the neon but yep its faster stock for stock but i like to build N/A screamers so it doesnt really fit me . . . why does that make the si suck soooo much in the eyes of others?

[Tennpenn83]

Originally Posted by mitsukaiSI

ill be the first to admit that im a honda fanboi however that doesnt mean that i think cobalts suck ass or that ion RL's suck ass or SRT-4 suck ass. . . and thats the thing that sucks so much but about sooo many people is that they cant realize that some cars are better than others in certain areas but that doesnt nessicerily make one better than the other . . . i PERSONALLY am not a fan of the cobalt ss/sc or the cobalt in genearal but i can admit that it is faster than my car was when i was stock same with the srt-4 im not a huge fan of dodge in general nor the neon but yep its faster stock for stock but i like to build N/A screamers so it doesnt really fit me . . . why does that make the si suck soooo much in the eyes of others?

SI is much better in looks. Damn sexy lookin car.

Cobalt looks, ok, Redline looks ok. But the main reason i got the Saturn is because of the extra set of doors. It's still a coupe, per se, but the only other cars that come with anything like that is the (MUCH more expensive) RX-8 and the new Mini Clubman (but only on one side, like the old Saturns). Those extra doors make a helluva difference when you gotta cart around the little ones every now and then (hence the interest in the 4-door SI Sedan)
but idk, the cobalt ss turbo comes in a sedan version this year too...

[mitsukaiSI]

oh snap i didnt know about the sedan

[nbilyue]

Originally Posted by nayilsi

so wer talkin abt ligers now ????


SUMBUUDAAYYY lock this crap up

No way I love this thread. I like all of the ecotec dudes on this forum and like debating with them and over hyping both of our cars.

[Tennpenn83]

Originally Posted by mitsukaiSI

oh snap i didnt know about the sedan

yep, same 260hp/260tq turbo 4 like the coupe. only difference is it's offered in an automatic option like the hhr ss has (albeit slightly detuned...)

[Anubis]

Originally Posted by nbilyue

No way I love this thread. I like all of the ecotec dudes on this forum and like debating with them and over hyping both of our cars.

I am all about it too as long as the thread doesn't turn into a whose penis is bigger contest. I just get tired of people aruing and bitching back and forth about how great honda, GM, dodge etc is. Some folks just need to keep in mind that the Si isn't the end all be all, and others cars (gm, ford, dodge) have there own share of weaknesses (perhaps not speed).

That being said the thread so far is a decent read let's keep it that way.

[eh_civicracer]

you just need to learn how to drive your car. don't forget to power shift and there's a reason why honda made the civic with the rev hang. it's so that you could use the car to its full potential at the track.

[vtak07]

[Tennpenn83]

Originally Posted by eh_civicracer

you just need to learn how to drive your car. don't forget to power shift and there's a reason why honda made the civic with the rev hang. it's so that you could use the car to its full potential at the track.

what is this "rev hang"?

[ThatsMrGimp2U]

There is a hesitation after letting your foot off the gas and pushing the clutch in. About a second. The RPM's hold where you let off at. Most SI drivers have a hard time adapting to other 5 or 6 spd vehicles because of it.