Racing question

[mickeysi]

i was wondering hows do most people race the si cause i see diffrent people do diffrent things like my friend duoble clutchs but i dont know if thats good to do or not so if u guys can help me out cause i want to beat my friend and i never raced my car so any suggestion thanks

[Si 07]

just bits of advice, keep driving, feel the car, learn from it. no real substitution for experience you personally gain.

on that note happy driving

[mickeysi]

yea but my friend has a civic si 99 and me and him went at it today in the morning at the beginning he ate me then i came back like in 3 and 4 gear and flew by him then he told me the only reason he took off faster then me was because he double clutched and i am wondering if it ok for me with my new si is it ok for me to double cluth to and if anyone knows and tips on how to go faster

[Sirbelch]

Double clutching takes more time to do than single clutching. So your friend might not know what he is talking about or he is just using the wrong vocab for what he is doing. Double clutching is clutch in, stick in neutral, clutch out, clutch back in, stick in next gear. Single clutching is clutch in, stick to next gear, clutch out. So double clutching uses at least 3 tenths more if you are the fastest mo fo on the planet. Double clutching was done in the old days, like the 60's, before syncromesh trannies came out. They had to do it to keep the gears from grinding. So ask him what he is doing in the car. Tell him to give you a step by step discription. If his Si is stock, you should smoke him.

[mickeysi]

Originally Posted by Sirbelch

Double clutching takes more time to do than single clutching. So your friend might not know what he is talking about or he is just using the wrong vocab for what he is doing. Double clutching is clutch in, stick in neutral, clutch out, clutch back in, stick in next gear. Single clutching is clutch in, stick to next gear, clutch out. So double clutching uses at least 3 tenths more if you are the fastest mo fo on the planet. Double clutching was done in the old days, like the 60's, before syncromesh trannies came out. They had to do it to keep the gears from grinding. So ask him what he is doing in the car. Tell him to give you a step by step discription. If his Si is stock, you should smoke him.

how do u race your si so can get a idea if wat i am doing

[mickeysi]

how do u guys run your cars when u guys race other cars so i can get an idea of wat i should do

[e60.deluxe]

Double clutching takes more time to do than single clutching. So your friend might not know what he is talking about or he is just using the wrong vocab for what he is doing. Double clutching is clutch in, stick in neutral, clutch out, clutch back in, stick in next gear. Single clutching is clutch in, stick to next gear, clutch out. So double clutching uses at least 3 tenths more if you are the fastest mo fo on the planet. Double clutching was done in the old days, like the 60's, before syncromesh trannies came out. They had to do it to keep the gears from grinding. So ask him what he is doing in the car. Tell him to give you a step by step discription. If his Si is stock, you should smoke him.

if your fast enough double clutching wont take any more time because you have to wait for the revs to drop. thats the purpose of double clutching. if you doubel clutch faster than the revs drop than your fine.

also if the dude is hardcore, and runs a tranny without synchros because theres less drivetrain loss, then he could very well be double clutching with an actual purpose.

[holy EFFING cow]

Originally Posted by mickeysi

how do u guys run your cars when u guys race other cars so i can get an idea of wat i should do

I go to a sanctioned SCCA or NASA event.

Take it to a track, Toretto.

[Sirbelch]

Originally Posted by e60.deluxe

if your fast enough double clutching wont take any more time because you have to wait for the revs to drop. thats the purpose of double clutching. if you doubel clutch faster than the revs drop than your fine.

also if the dude is hardcore, and runs a tranny without synchros because theres less drivetrain loss, then he could very well be double clutching with an actual purpose.

No you don't have to wait until the revs drop to shift when racing. You should be shifting quick enough to make the revs drop when you put it in the next gear. Ever watch the inside car cameras during a NHRA Pro Stock race? They just slam the tranny in to the next gear which makes the engine drop in revs. Waiting for the revs to drop would take way way way way too much time in any car and it is especially true with our rev hang. That would be like and extra 6 tenths per shift and with 3 shifts in a quarter mile, thats 1.18 seconds of not putting the power down.

[e60.deluxe]

^ but those are sequential transmissions are they not?

[Sirbelch]

Yes they are and they still cause the engine to drop in revs when shifted to the next gear. A sequentail transmission is just a computer controled manual that comes with a clutch and everything. Even with our fully manual trannies, you will get smoked by a corrolla if you are waiting for the revs to drop before you shift into the next gear.

[e60.deluxe]

Originally Posted by Sirbelch

Yes they are and they still cause the engine to drop in revs when shifted to the next gear. A sequentail transmission is just a computer controled manual that comes with a clutch and everything. Even with our fully manual trannies, you will get smoked by a corrolla if you are waiting for the revs to drop before you shift into the next gear.

umm, no your thinking computer controlled clutch transmission like VW's DSG, BMW's SMG, and etc. they are for the most part (except the twin clutch one) regular manual transmissions with a robot actuated and a computer to control the shift rod and the clutch. teh BMW SMG can actually hop around gears in automatic mode, but in manual mode the computer forces it to be ''sequential''. for the twin clutch to be effective, you cant skip gears either, unless you skip two. i dont think the computer allows skipping any.

im talking about a sequential transmission thats completly mechanical. you use a clutch to move off in first gear and then the clutch is no longer used. there is a ratcheting drum, and when you press a lever one way it rachets and moves the the next gear up, and visa versa. this is the type of transmission used in motorcycles and race cars and etc. there is no use for a clutch to double clutch after 1st gear. watch videos of older 70s and 80s car races and see double clutching. or even now, alot of japanese drivers use regular H pattern shifting transmissions and see double clutching.

[Sirbelch]

Originally Posted by e60.deluxe

umm, no your thinking computer controlled clutch transmission like VW's DSG, BMW's SMG, and etc. they are for the most part (except the twin clutch one) regular manual transmissions with a robot actuated and a computer to control the shift rod and the clutch.

im talking about a sequential transmission thats completly mechanical. you use a clutch to move off in first gear and then the clutch is no longer used. there is a ratcheting drum, and when you press a lever one way it rachets and moves the the next gear up, and visa versa. this is the type of transmission used in motorcycles and race cars and etc. there is no use for a clutch to double clutch after 1st gear. watch videos of older 70s and 80s car races and see double clutching.

Ok. Even if you are talking about a mechanical sequential, they still don't wait for the revs to drop and then shift. It just takes too much time to double clutch or wait for the revs to drop when racing. I think the 80's were too modern for double clutching, maybe the 70's too, but i could be wrong, but my dad did have a 73 Capri that he didn't have to double clutch and that was just a street car. The older cars that had to double clutch didn't lose time realtive to other racers because everyone had to do it. Now a days where double clutching is a not required, you will lose time in a race to someone that is not doulble clutching.

[mickeysi]

so wat i am my to do double clutch or just punch it

[mickeysi]

the thing is he got a head of me 1 and 2 gear cause he said he was double clutching and power shifting and i wasnt power shifting or double clutching but when i got to 3 and 4 gear i passed by him like nothing but i thought cause it a brand new car i was gona eat him right if the line so does anyone know how to take off faster

[Highrev1]

Don't double clutch, just make sure you know how to shift properly.

[holy EFFING cow]

Originally Posted by mickeysi

so does anyone know how to take off faster

trade in

[mickeysi]

Originally Posted by Highrev1

Don't double clutch, just make sure you know how to shift properly.

i just want to know how u guys drive your si when your racing it

[Sirbelch]

Originally Posted by Highrev1

Don't double clutch, just make sure you know how to shift properly.

Give them that link to that racing page you gave me. I read most of it and i did learn how to shift better.

[Sirbelch]

Originally Posted by mickeysi

i just want to know how u guys drive your si when your racing it

Rev it to 3000 and almost drop the clutch (i dont wanna break anything) and then shift at 8299 into the next gear as quickly and smoothly as possible.