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Old 05-25-2011, 12:36 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Proposed stock class changes.

http://www.scca.com/documents/Fastra...-june-solo.pdf

For those who can't check the link. There is a motion up for member comment on stock class alignment modification and sway bars. Here is what is going down and it would benefit us GREATLY.

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- Per the SAC, the following rule change proposal is provided for member comment:
- Change 13.8.E to read as follows:
“If offered by the manufacturer for a particular model and year, the use of shims, special bolts, removal of material to
enlarge mounting holes, and similar methods are allowed and the resulting alignment settings are permitted even if
outside the normal specification or range of specifications recommended by the manufacturer. If enlarging mounting
holes is specifically authorized but no material removal limits are specified, material removal is restricted to the amount
necessary to achieve the maximum factory alignment specification.” (3801, 3827, 4142, 4152, 4205)
- Per the SAC, the origin of Stock sway bar rule was an allowance to improve vehicle dynamics at a time when sway bars
were not commonplace in new cars, and RWD was the most common layout in the automobile industry. FWD and AWD are
common today, and throughout the years there have been comments pointing out that FWD cars would benefit more from a
rear sway bar change. In an effort to broaden the field of competitive vehicles across the entire range of the Stock classes,
the SAC would like to introduce the option of changing or adding the front OR rear sway bar. The committee believes this
promotes the core values of the club by increasing participation with broader choices of competitive models, improved tire
wear and improved handling for specific vehicle drive trains. To that end, the following rule change proposal is submitted
for member comment (4530):
- Change 13.7 to read as follows:
“13.7 ANTI-ROLL (SWAY) BARS
A. Substitution, addition, or removal of a single anti-roll bar and supporting hardware (brackets, end links,
bushings, etc.) is permitted.
B. Substitution, addition, or removal of an anti-roll bar may serve no other purpose than that of an anti-roll bar.
C. The use of any bushing material is permitted. A bushing may be implemented as a bearing.
D. No modification to the body, frame, or other components to accommodate anti-roll bar addition or substitution
is allowed except for the drilling of holes for mounting bolts. Non-standard lateral members which connect
between the brackets for the bar are not permitted.

Thoughts? Comments? Since the Civic SI is so camber challenged in the front compared to other GS cars this may level the playing field a bit more. At least it will keep us from chewing the **** out of the front tire shoulders possibly if we can get enough negative camber in.

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Old 05-27-2011, 06:17 PM   #2 (permalink)
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SO the question is what the "Maximum Factory Alignment Spec" for front camber? The sway bar change would be welcomed that's for sure.
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SO the question is what the "Maximum Factory Alignment Spec" for front camber? The sway bar change would be welcomed that's for sure.
Shouldn't matter if the motion passes in his current wording. The wording states that you can essentially use aftermarket camber bolts to induce negative camber if you'd like outside of the normal specifications.
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man this would be great for us. no more having to choose between being stock legal or having a RSB. those progress bars really do make fwd car more fun and it would be great if i could have one and still be able to compete in g stock.
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If I'm not mistaken, the alignment recommendation is not going to allow for the use of aftermarket camber bolts.

The only change is the wording:

If authorized by the manufacturer

to

If offered by the manufacturer for a particular model and year

We are allowed to use the OE Honda crash bolts because they are authorized by Honda. Honestly I think this rule is to allow the Hyndai Genesis folks to run the 'off road use only' camber bolts that Hyndai offers for performance driving but are not currently stock legal because Hyndai doesn't 'authorize' the use of said bolts on the street.


But the sway bar change....that would be NOIIIIICCCCCCCCCEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I doubt that either of these rules will make it out of the 'suggestion' stage.

I actually don't want either of them. I'm satisfied with the stock rules. I don't want a rear swaybar, I don't want to have to go crazy trying to achieve the most camber possible within the rules to be even remotely competitive.

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