Thought I'd NEVER say this but..

[si_civic]

I need to settle this. First, let me tell you I DO NOT STREET RACE, I DO NOT PROMOTE IT, NOR DO I PARTICIPATE IN IT.

Now that is out of the way, my friend at work keeps on bugging me that his Civic would take mine. We will be taking this to an actual 1/4 mile race track (street legal races) at Ashcroft, BC in the Spring.

His car
1990 Civic DX
B16A 160hp / 111 ft.lbs (15.2 lbs per hp)
VTEC controller
CAI
2200lbs
with this combination, should do 0-60 in 7.6 (conceptcarz.com)

My car
2007 Civic Si
K20Z3 197hp / 138 ft.lbs (14.6 lbs per hp)
Typhoon SRI intake
Magnaflow SS (by Spring)
2800 lbs


His car goes pretty good for it's size. Remember it's the power-weight ratio that is important. He has a 600lb advantage.

Anyone know? How can I put this to rest?

[hatchbac_smokin_you]

he is gonna smash on you..lol.. who knows too close to tell..

[06Fg2]

I would say just go to the track and romp on him. Don't do it on the streets.

[RomesKdUB]

dude youll own him...our ivtech is so much more powerfull than the b16's vtech...we do also have a 8500 rpm redline that will have you an advantage, we do have lsd which is better for the launches, we have a 2.0l, you do have 37+ more hp than him...you have the newest sweetest k-series engine out there.....yea hes a little litter...but come on now.. just be good at your shifting and youll own him..good luck!

[StreetThisSI]

Originally Posted by RomesKdUB

dude youll own him...our ivtech is so much more powerfull than the b16's vtech...we do also have a 8500 rpm redline that will have you an advantage, we do have lsd which is better for the launches, we have a 2.0l, you do have 37+ more hp than him...you have the newest sweetest k-series engine out there.....yea hes a little litter...but come on now.. just be good at your shifting and youll own him..good luck!

It all depends on the driver......period. O and rpm limiter kicks in at 8200 rpm.

[fa1]

Originally Posted by RomesKdUB

dude youll own him...our ivtech is so much more powerfull than the b16's vtech...we do also have a 8500 rpm redline that will have you an advantage, we do have lsd which is better for the launches, we have a 2.0l, you do have 37+ more hp than him...you have the newest sweetest k-series engine out there.....yea hes a little litter...but come on now.. just be good at your shifting and youll own him..good luck!

First of all its vtec without the H. And wtf do you mean Si vtec is stronger then the b16 vtec? The b16 rev limit is 8000rpm so its not so far off. And lsd may give you 1-2 tenths off the quarter but the b16 may have lsd also depending on if its a y-1 or s-1 tranny. The final drive on the b16 tranny is also 4.4 giving him more time in the top end while the k20z3 tranny has a 4.76 final drive. The cam profile change on the b16 will likely be lower too as it was stated he had a vtec controller, while the k20z3 cam profile change is at 5800. Displacement also doesn't mean shit on Honda's as you don't have that much more torque then him anyways. Yes the k20z3 may have 37 more horsepower then the b16, but the 600lb advantage makes that up. In the end, it's all a driver's race.

[Rallyfocus]

I assume this is a B16a2 we're talking about? Judging from the specs and the fact that it is a swap that's my guess. My friend has the same swap in his 96 hatch. It was a perfect running motor with intake snd exaust and it only made 129whp before his turbo.

Most Si's are putting down about 180whp....that's about 50hp more. I say you pull on him hard after you get moving. shift it perfect and you should have him.

[si_civic]

Ya, its the first gen B16 without OBD. I guess we'll see. :) Thanks guys.

[bizzybearfigiblue]

you'll take him easily. our cars r better matched with a GSR in that same car. now that's a drivers race. but b16 ha that's a joke. don't waste ur gas.

[RWatters]

Originally Posted by RomesKdUB

dude youll own him...our ivtech is so much more powerfull than the b16's vtech...we do also have a 8500 rpm redline that will have you an advantage, we do have lsd which is better for the launches, we have a 2.0l, you do have 37+ more hp than him...you have the newest sweetest k-series engine out there.....yea hes a little litter...but come on now.. just be good at your shifting and youll own him..good luck!

I hope that's sarcasm.

Otherwise, you're retarded.

[RWatters]

Originally Posted by Rallyfocus

I assume this is a B16a2 we're talking about? Judging from the specs and the fact that it is a swap that's my guess. My friend has the same swap in his 96 hatch. It was a perfect running motor with intake snd exaust and it only made 129whp before his turbo.

Most Si's are putting down about 180whp....that's about 50hp more. I say you pull on him hard after you get moving. shift it perfect and you should have him.

I just watched an I/H/E B16 pull 150whp on a dyno. It was the same dyno I ran on. If he only had 129whp then his motor was junk and it was far from perfect. In a normal world the motor should pull in the 135-145whp range depending on condition, modifications, etc.

Do you guys even realize what you are saying half of the time? Do you just pull facts out of your ass to try to make your car sound that much better? In a real world the hatch has a HUGE weight advantage and it's going to be quicker than you think. An Si may have 50hp more but it has 600lbs to go with it too.

And for God's sakes I cannot believe you are trying to pull factual data about a car from a website and NOT FROM THE CAR.

Some of you Si owners are about the most pathetic car owners I have ever come across.

[RWatters]

Originally Posted by bizzybearfigiblue

you'll take him easily. our cars r better matched with a GSR in that same car. now that's a drivers race. but b16 ha that's a joke. don't waste ur gas.

Well-driven bolt-on B16-swapped hatches are capable of high 13/low 14 second timeslips with a great driver and great traction. You sure about that? Hell, do you even know what you're talking about?

The race can, and will, go either way. If it's a good-running hatch it will run a lot better than you think.

[bizzybearfigiblue]

Originally Posted by RWatters

Well-driven bolt-on B16-swapped hatches are capable of high 13/low 14 second timeslips with a great driver and great traction. You sure about that? Hell, do you even know what you're talking about?

The race can, and will, go either way. If it's a good-running hatch it will run a lot better than you think.

WHOA WHOA WHOA.....first off i read the post wrong, i thought it said an EG or something of that year, that's my bad. But even still my friend had a 91EF sedan GUTTED, this thing even had a huge hole in the trunk floor. approx. weight w/him in the car under 2100lbs (he weighs 210lbs) with a OBD0 B16 in it w/type r headers (with a dent in one of the runners) and a short ram intake. and unless he took that car to almost 8500-9000rpms. he could not get me.

I know how to drive my Si better than most ppl on here, i'm not bragging i'm just stating that. and i know he knows how to drive.

so with that setup yes it could be a drivers race.

[GALAXY~SI]

(Just Do IT)

We have faith in you. you can beat him for sure.

[RomesKdUB]

damn damn watch out man you dont have to get all offensive and shit...its just a forum motherefer...if some of us are wrong or you think u know better, than state it thats it..not get all stupid and offensive and shit..not everyone on here is a super car genius guru...you defend that b16 like as if you have one or something..im not smashing on the b16 or that hatch..hell it is light but come on now..you gotta be like a tard to not win this run..
and if you think us "si owners" are pathetic the get the f out..you gotta be calling yourself a pathetic guy too if you are a 06 si owner...but ur probably not thats why your talking so much shit.
look dude sorry if i get heated but c'mon now you need to chill and shit and correct..thats it no one got offensive. but back to the race man..like rwatters said and other did too..shift good and your good

[TreeFrog]

well i raced a civic hatch back with a b18a swap, exhaust intake etc.

i can't talk about what happend because of the obvious rules here. But i want i can say is i romped him real good off the line.

he'll have to shift to 2nd as you hit vtec. from a roll is a little close. but not really.

[si_civic]

EEEE!! I guess we'll see in the spring. He has little 13" tires, poor suspension (needs work), clutch needs work, etc etc, has a lot of stereo equipment, so I think I will take this lol. Not to knock his car, and I'm sure he'll gut the stereo crap out, but what kind of traction would a 13" tire give you?

[SIcBoy]

dude just take him to the track and burn him

[jkocr2]

If this helps you any

Me: 2006 si
K&N sri
Dc Race Header

My buddy: 1993 eg Hatch
b16
itr cams
I/H/E
tuned
9000rpm redline
gutted car just weighed in under 1900lbs

I pulled inches on him. Now go get em

[SIcBoy]

is there a big difference when you install those dc headers