Civic SI vs. Cobalt 2.4SS

sethallen · 07-25-2006, 07:06 PM

hey guys, I just wanted to drop a thread into the forum...i just wanted some facts, so we can figure out the comparison of 2.4SS vs Civic SI

http://www.cobaltss.net/forums//showthread.php?t=27044

**2fast4u2** · 07-25-2006, 07:09 PM

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hey guys, I just wanted to drop a thread into the forum...i just wanted some facts, so we can figure out the comparison of 2.4SS vs Civic SI

http://www.cobaltss.net/forums//showthread.php?t=27044

hmmm...it seems you have to be a member to see that thread.

sethallen · 07-25-2006, 07:10 PM

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2.4SS VS. 06 civic SI

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So has anyone tango with a SI yet?
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07-25-2006, 05:54 PM #2
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I'm not 2.4l but yes i have, 20 roll, wasted...in the 1/4 mile i think the 2.4 would be slightly behind, but street race anything could happen, again driver matters most...
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07-25-2006, 06:00 PM #3
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SI is much quicker... my brother has an 06 si, and i used to have a 2.4SS...he killed me every single time, roll or dig
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07-25-2006, 06:16 PM #4
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how bout a 2.4 with a tune.
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I would think an SI would probably split the difference between the 2.0 and 2.4 engines.

The SI I priced out before buying the GT was well over $5000 Cdn more. So I wouldn't expect the 2.4 to keep up.
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it would need more than tune.... an 06 SI has 197 HP, about 180 at the wheels I have never seen a 2.4 with 180 at the wheels. It would definetily take more than bolt ons and a tune to beat an SI.
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i highly doubt a car making 197 at the crank is putting 180 at the wheels..maybe 170 but not 180
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07-25-2006, 07:00 PM #8
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i've seen two stock dynos's...one was 181 and the other was 180 i think
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besides, if you took a ride in one, it feels like its 180+ anyways.....
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Sethallen is on the money on this one, you can take the si light to light, I ve driven both, anything more than light to light the Si got us.they have more hp but higher in the powerband
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07-25-2006, 07:07 PM #11
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they cost more though, so i wouldnt feel bad
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driveshift · 07-25-2006, 07:24 PM

looking at specs of the 2.4L and the 2.0L S/C...i'd say the 2.4L engine would have more of a potential with very few mods that can run fairly safe with a considerable amount of boost (15psi) from an aftermarket S/C. i don't know if they made a S/C for the 2.4, but you'd squeeze more numbers out of it than you would with the 2.0L S/C. i'll read up more on the bottom end potential too. dome pistons with a slight increase in stroke, along with a safe boost of about 7-8psi would give you a little monster on that. the SI's still have the upper hand on this. approx. 100hp per liter. i'm thinking the comptech S/C would help top it off and bang another 40-50hp out of it. problem is, you can't boost the SI too much cus of the high compression.

**webby** · 07-25-2006, 07:45 PM

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DYNOJET results in 2nd gear: 145.61 max power, and 134.47 max torque

Yeah - that dyno really doesn't even compare well. Most SI owners have seen hp anywhere from low 180's to high 180's to the wheels. Honda used the new SAE ratings for their HP rating of 197. Obviously most owners have been happy to see the #'s they are getting bone stock out of the SI. There isn't a huge market for parts quite yet, but a few SI's have been boosted by companies. A few members have the hondata reflash as well - pushing the rev limit above 8k to 8600, lowering the vtec engagement, and adding quite a bit of mid range hp.

sae corrected - to the wheels - 217hp/162tq

Cornerdrifters · 07-26-2006, 12:08 AM

SI is the better car and faster car when compared to the 2.4 SS. I would say the SI compares more to the 2.0 SS S/C. The 2.4 SS would compete most likely with the TC and Mazda 3s.

***Special Ringpop*** · 07-26-2006, 12:45 AM

How about against the SS/SC models? I always wondered how that would turn out.

sethallen · 07-26-2006, 10:20 PM

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How about against the SS/SC models? I always wondered how that would turn out.

not knockin the SI (i love the car) but I actually have a cobalt ss/sc, and my brother (unclesid) has an 06 SI, and the ss/sc is a tad faster.

sethallen · 07-26-2006, 10:21 PM

the whole point of this thread is that 2.4 cobalt guys (176 rated HP, about 150 whp) are saying that they are quicker than SI's (197 rated, actual 180's hp)

Marin · 07-26-2006, 10:32 PM

i think someone was asking why they didnt supercharger the 2.4l engine on the cobalt. I read somewhere that they are pretty much the same engine but the block on the 2.0l sc is a 2.4l block but cut shorter to give it a lower displacement of 2.0l. The reason they cut the block shorter was to allow the car to rev highter which in turn revs the supercharger higher. I dunno if it makes much sense but that is what i read on the net.

LiL Sang · 07-27-2006, 01:22 AM

yea i raced my friend's cobalt ss supercharged and beat me! no question but my other friend that just got the cobalt ss supercharged with CAI and we went from a roll, the first 3 gears i was winning until 4th gear. his supercharger kicked in!

LiL Sang · 07-27-2006, 01:23 AM

plus cobalt ss supercharged is underrated like the srt-4's

SLVRK20 · 07-27-2006, 04:12 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gtalf...search=si%2006

**sickyute** · 07-27-2006, 01:10 PM

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gtalf...search=si%2006

lol....the reason why i drive a honda

but for real....a fellow member on here raced a stock SC cobalt and his Si is stock also...and wooped it everytime...this it was like 3 races or more.

it was bizzybearfijiblue....happenned last week monday....wooped that cobalt ass.

BLU BY U · 07-27-2006, 07:46 PM

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yea i raced my friend's cobalt ss supercharged and beat me! no question but my other friend that just got the cobalt ss supercharged with CAI and we went from a roll, the first 3 gears i was winning until 4th gear. his supercharger kicked in!

i know, i hate when they switch on the supercharger!

BLU BY U · 07-27-2006, 07:46 PM

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plus cobalt ss supercharger is underrated like the srt-4's

yea , everyone thinks the srt-4 supercharger sucks since it looks like a turbo.

OHSiGuy · 07-27-2006, 08:14 PM

Anyone that would choose a Chevy over a Honda needs their head examined...supercharged or not.

Sam388 · 07-27-2006, 08:42 PM

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yea , everyone thinks the srt-4 supercharger sucks since it looks like a turbo.

You 8====>, you made me blow milk out of my nose. lmao.

***Special Ringpop*** · 07-27-2006, 09:46 PM

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Anyone that would choose a Chevy over a Honda needs their head examined...supercharged or not.

Chevy Corvette > Any Current Honda

I love my Si, but GM is getting its head out of its ass, slowly but surely.

brooklynscat69 · 07-27-2006, 10:28 PM

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You 8====>, you made me blow milk out of my nose. lmao.

Lol i had to look at that twice.

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sethallen Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 42 iTrader: 0 / 0%	i'll copy and paste is, sorry for it being so longDragonsfire12345 Senior Member Join Date: 11-01-05 Location: San Antonio,TX Posts: 918 2.4SS VS. 06 civic SI -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- So has anyone tango with a SI yet? __________________ 2006 Cobalt SS, black, 2.4L VVT ECOTEC Auto, front lower grill removed, Injen CAI, DC Sports strut bar, Borla muffler, 17in. Konig Unknowns, THINGS IN RED= valve cover, wire covers, undercarriage neons, interior neons, red stripes(think of Starsky & Hutch), and calipers DYNOJET results in 2nd gear: 145.61 max power, and 134.47 max torque car domain page http://groups.myspace.com/txdomestics Dragonsfire12345 View Public Profile Send a private message to Dragonsfire12345 Send email to Dragonsfire12345 Visit Dragonsfire12345's homepage! Find More Posts by Dragonsfire12345 Add Dragonsfire12345 to Your Buddy List 07-25-2006, 05:54 PM #2 05YELLOWSS Senior Member Join Date: 08-28-05 Location: Pope AFB, NC Posts: 742 I'm not 2.4l but yes i have, 20 roll, wasted...in the 1/4 mile i think the 2.4 would be slightly behind, but street race anything could happen, again driver matters most... __________________ 2005 Yellow SS/SC Debadged (For Stealth) Nitrous Injected (For Stealth Removal) BFG G-Force Drag Radials in 255/50/R16 for the track 18" Exel E-22's in black with Federal SS595's in 235/40/R18 for the street Spec Stage 2+ Injen CAI tapped for N2O Parts I have ordered (ACTUALLY PAID FOR) while I was in the desert of Kuwait: Ingalls Damper, B&M Short Shifter, DC Strut Bar, Eibach Sportlines, Corsa Touring Exhaust, INTENSE Stage 5, AeroForce Interceptor SS Edition, NGK BKR7E Plugs, ZEX Extra 10lb Bottle and "T" Fittings, INTENSE Suspension Package, HPTUNERS PRO (Thanks Crisdawg!) 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The SI I priced out before buying the GT was well over $5000 Cdn more. So I wouldn't expect the 2.4 to keep up. __________________ 2006 Pontiac G5 GT. 2.4 VVT 5 speed. Ultra Silver Metallic. 06G5GT View Public Profile Send a private message to 06G5GT Find More Posts by 06G5GT Add 06G5GT to Your Buddy List 07-25-2006, 06:44 PM #6 sethallen Premium Member Join Date: 09-25-05 Location: Detroit MI Posts: 544 it would need more than tune.... an 06 SI has 197 HP, about 180 at the wheels I have never seen a 2.4 with 180 at the wheels. It would definetily take more than bolt ons and a tune to beat an SI. __________________ goodbye 2.4L, hello 2.0L s/c!!!!! 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driveshift Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: San Jose CA Posts: 95 iTrader: 0 / 0%	looking at specs of the 2.4L and the 2.0L S/C...i'd say the 2.4L engine would have more of a potential with very few mods that can run fairly safe with a considerable amount of boost (15psi) from an aftermarket S/C. i don't know if they made a S/C for the 2.4, but you'd squeeze more numbers out of it than you would with the 2.0L S/C. i'll read up more on the bottom end potential too. dome pistons with a slight increase in stroke, along with a safe boost of about 7-8psi would give you a little monster on that. the SI's still have the upper hand on this. approx. 100hp per liter. i'm thinking the comptech S/C would help top it off and bang another 40-50hp out of it. problem is, you can't boost the SI too much cus of the high compression.

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Cornerdrifters Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: NC Posts: 207 iTrader: 0 / 0%	SI is the better car and faster car when compared to the 2.4 SS. I would say the SI compares more to the 2.0 SS S/C. The 2.4 SS would compete most likely with the TC and Mazda 3s.

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sethallen Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 42 iTrader: 0 / 0%	the whole point of this thread is that 2.4 cobalt guys (176 rated HP, about 150 whp) are saying that they are quicker than SI's (197 rated, actual 180's hp)

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Marin Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Edmonton Age: 24 Posts: 189 Damian iTrader: 3 / 100%	i think someone was asking why they didnt supercharger the 2.4l engine on the cobalt. I read somewhere that they are pretty much the same engine but the block on the 2.0l sc is a 2.4l block but cut shorter to give it a lower displacement of 2.0l. The reason they cut the block shorter was to allow the car to rev highter which in turn revs the supercharger higher. I dunno if it makes much sense but that is what i read on the net.

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LiL Sang Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Florida Posts: 619 LiL Sang iTrader: 0 / 0%	yea i raced my friend's cobalt ss supercharged and beat me! no question but my other friend that just got the cobalt ss supercharged with CAI and we went from a roll, the first 3 gears i was winning until 4th gear. his supercharger kicked in!

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OHSiGuy Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Akron, OH Posts: 638 iTrader: 0 / 0%	Anyone that would choose a Chevy over a Honda needs their head examined...supercharged or not.