Si vs. STi 06(or newer models)

[2RotorMotor]

Ok so I finally installed my kit yesterday. And there is noone to race till later that afternoon... Actually @ night... So anyways, I was rolling around with my girl, and I see this moded sti(had exhaust atleast).. I see him getting anxious and trying to pass a few people, so I chase him. We never really got a clean race, but we did race from 3rd-all of 4th twice.. So first race he starts off before me, and I chase.. end of third im @ his bumper..Shift.. im creeping up his side getting to drivers door and he lets off... Then the next time we do it again, and this time we are side by side, before the race finished he lets off again...

Sucky race, but I liked the outcome.... Next time Ill see if I can get a "Good" or Full race... Not bad for an si on a 50shot, with no other mods...

[blackfg2]

Remember Dawg your not supposed to throw 5th and stay on 5th ,you only go onto 5th for a second step on it and let off...or youll eat eat your plugs and maybe your motor.

[Only a R18]

Hey nice race, i was wondering how you kept up so good, yah the 50 shot would do it, probably suprised that heel out of him and he let off so that he wouldn't lose. Thous Sti are quick, good race!

[2RotorMotor]

Originally Posted by blackfg2

Remember Dawg your not supposed to throw 5th and stay on 5th ,you only go onto 5th for a second step on it and let off...or youll eat eat your plugs and maybe your motor.

Yea bro, I checked my plugs after you told me what happend, and it was looking good... I went a lil bit richer to be on the safe side but so far its held up pretty good...

[2RotorMotor]

Originally Posted by Only a R18

Hey nice race, i was wondering how you kept up so good, yah the 50 shot would do it, probably suprised that heel out of him and he let off so that he wouldn't lose. Thous Sti are quick, good race!

Yea I did... I could tell in his face LOL.. But I would be surprised too, so w.e..

[SpeedDemon]

Save some of your excitement for tommorow bishhh..

[sickyute]

Originally Posted by blackfg2

Remember Dawg your not supposed to throw 5th and stay on 5th ,you only go onto 5th for a second step on it and let off...or youll eat eat your plugs and maybe your motor.

why would u blow ur motor shifting to 5th and staying on it?
something must be wrong with that setup.
i've been in a couple of type S that spray from 3rd, into 4th....through 4th and into 5th and also through 5th with no problem....not eating plugs or risking blowing the motor.
there is no way you should blow ur motor using nitrous in any gear if it's done properly....
i think either the person who's giving u this kinda information just doesn't know what the hell they are saying...or the nitrous setup is not right.

apart from seeing other k-series on nitrous boosting all gears....i've also seen it on other cars going through all gears....

it just doesn't make sense to me that u can't keep on it in 5th....
what's the point then?

can someone else please chime in on this?

[fuller083]

Originally Posted by sickyute

why would u blow ur motor shifting to 5th and staying on it?
something must be wrong with that setup.
i've been in a couple of type S that spray from 3rd, into 4th....through 4th and into 5th and also through 5th with no problem....not eating plugs or risking blowing the motor.
there is no way you should blow ur motor using nitrous in any gear if it's done properly....
i think either the person who's giving u this kinda information just doesn't know what the hell they are saying...or the nitrous setup is not right.

apart from seeing other k-series on nitrous boosting all gears....i've also seen it on other cars going through all gears....

it just doesn't make sense to me that u can't keep on it in 5th....
what's the point then?

can someone else please chime in on this?

I'm wondering the same thing... What's the point if you can't stay on it in 5th?

[blackfg2]

I dont know why Man ...but your not supposed to stay on it...honestly I dont need to stay on 5th when I throw 5 and step on it for that maybe second or 2 Im already at like 120 ...I just care about the safety of my motor.....me and a couple freinds with the type-s' all do the same ...I guess some of you guys just know too much or think you do anyways...... ....rather be safe, I thought some of those things too , but Im still at the point were I am content with the car and how it pics up speed .....I dont know about those other cars going through all gears , but my info might not be right but its safe, and thats fine for me!

[2RotorMotor]

Well, I ran out of bottle today, and checking on the spark plugs, everything came out looking clean. Mostly rich, no lean spots at all... this is with jets 42 and 26 which should be a 75 shot...

[civicsi1217]

why nitrous??? just askin...

[2RotorMotor]

Originally Posted by civicsi1217

why nitrous??? just askin...

Becuase its cheap and none of the hassles of doing anything else... Think about it, $300 is what used kit costs.... when you combine I/H/E you come out to $1k easily... And all those mods combined will never give you nowhere near as much power...

[haroman311]

you wont mess up ur plugs as long as u got sufficent fuel going into the chamber. rather go really rich then really lean

[sickyute]

Originally Posted by haroman311

you wont mess up ur plugs as long as u got sufficent fuel going into the chamber. rather go really rich then really lean

or tune for fuel...which can't be done...
so for me, no point in doing any of the above or mod, unless someone can tune for fuel...it's just risking it too much.

that's another reason i said that something must be wrong where people are concerned about staying on it through 5th etc, and worried about burning plugs or the motor...i guess that's the problem...his car is running too lean??? too big a shot and not enough fuel???

maybe it's even running too lean in 3rd or 4th??? Maybe it's not just the plugs u r doing damage to mario...probably the plugs go out first before something else does. my guess is it's a warning sign for more failure....point is something is wrong if u can't go through 5th, because of that i won't even go through 3rd or 4th until i know it's fool proof...

as for martin...i guess u did it the right way...safe...cuz u running richer, so u not making as much power but u not messing things up either...

i think it's just a risk now going with nitrous knowing that u can't do any type of tuning for fuel...and probably the ECU isn't going to do it for u like it should..like if u put in a CAI and it can adjust through MAF and MAP....cuz the nitrous is after the MAF right? if so it's missing that inflow...so it's only making adjustments from the MAP and not both?? if so then it's not compensating like it should?

Mario just be careful bro. i know how it is when other people feel like they know a lot and just want u or themselves to do shit to your car...i may come across like that too, only difference is i'm not trying to make u blow ur shit up...but the Si is unlike any other and it takes much research before u can just throw stuff on there, especially if it has to do with anything going through emissions stuff...same reason it's taking Hondata that long to figure stuff out, and greddy to come out with their turbo kit, and comptech finally got something done but it took a while and it took them and hondata together, cybernation still can't fet the guardian fully capable yet...they all know more than we do by light years...

martin compesated by running rich...much like how all jap. cars turbo is running real rich also...

don't spray until u know u can spray without burning plugs in any gear...just my input.

[2RotorMotor]

Originally Posted by sickyute

or tune for fuel...which can't be done...
so for me, no point in doing any of the above or mod, unless someone can tune for fuel...it's just risking it too much.

that's another reason i said that something must be wrong where people are concerned about staying on it through 5th etc, and worried about burning plugs or the motor...i guess that's the problem...his car is running too lean??? too big a shot and not enough fuel???

maybe it's even running too lean in 3rd or 4th??? Maybe it's not just the plugs u r doing damage to mario...probably the plugs go out first before something else does. my guess is it's a warning sign for more failure....point is something is wrong if u can't go through 5th, because of that i won't even go through 3rd or 4th until i know it's fool proof...

as for martin...i guess u did it the right way...safe...cuz u running richer, so u not making as much power but u not messing things up either...

i think it's just a risk now going with nitrous knowing that u can't do any type of tuning for fuel...and probably the ECU isn't going to do it for u like it should..like if u put in a CAI and it can adjust through MAF and MAP....cuz the nitrous is after the MAF right? if so it's missing that inflow...so it's only making adjustments from the MAP and not both?? if so then it's not compensating like it should?

Mario just be careful bro. i know how it is when other people feel like they know a lot and just want u or themselves to do shit to your car...i may come across like that too, only difference is i'm not trying to make u blow ur shit up...but the Si is unlike any other and it takes much research before u can just throw stuff on there, especially if it has to do with anything going through emissions stuff...same reason it's taking Hondata that long to figure stuff out, and greddy to come out with their turbo kit, and comptech finally got something done but it took a while and it took them and hondata together, cybernation still can't fet the guardian fully capable yet...they all know more than we do by light years...

martin compesated by running rich...much like how all jap. cars turbo is running real rich also...

don't spray until u know u can spray without burning plugs in any gear...just my input.

Well, map only measures pressure... So while it could be used to compensate for boost, it doesn't work with n2o.. Since n2o is mixed fuel, I don't want to run fuel through it cus out of experience maf and liquid don't do well together..

Bottom line, you can't tune for fuel in this vehicle and the ecu will not compensate for the n2o. But you can increase the size of the jet for fuel, and that should work good enough.

[blackfg2]

Your both right...these cars are very different, And Martin a 75 shot is 41/26 I think you put 42,and thats your n2o solenoid.....and Marvi...Im going with Hondata, Im going to try and see if they can offer me something like a safty measure ,and something so the n2o doesnt activate in 1st gear...Im thinking about going to the dyno to adjust for things like timing .....Im also thinking of buying the fuel rail like that guy from cali with the zex kit.....Im not trying to use the bottle much till I have more of a assurance on the safety of the motor.....though I would like to go back there on wed. to race that evo8 again and get it on video ...so like that he wont be able to bad mouth us Si's after I leave...but anyways...theres alot of info on these cars I dont think any of us know yet,but I guess its just the way things are approached at times.....Many times I write for reassurance...sometimes it seems the way things are portrayed on the site are not as helpful at times, but hurtful.....Im still here for the knowledge not for the fastest car or koolest car.....If I meet people along the way with the same vehicle then its great to find others with similar interest's in like vehicles.

[2RotorMotor]

Originally Posted by blackfg2

Your both right...these cars are very different, And Martin a 75 shot is 41/26 I think you put 42,and thats your n2o solenoid.....and Marvi...Im going with Hondata, Im going to try and see if they can offer me something like a safty measure ,and something so the n2o doesnt activate in 1st gear...Im thinking about going to the dyno to adjust for things like timing .....Im also thinking of buying the fuel rail like that guy from cali with the zex kit.....Im not trying to use the bottle much till I have more of a assurance on the safety of the motor.....though I would like to go back there on wed. to race that evo8 again and get it on video ...so like that he wont be able to bad mouth us Si's after I leave...but anyways...theres alot of info on these cars I dont think any of us know yet,but I guess its just the way things are approached at times.....Many times I write for reassurance...sometimes it seems the way things are portrayed on the site are not as helpful at times, but hurtful.....Im still here for the knowledge not for the fastest car or koolest car.....If I meet people along the way with the same vehicle then its great to find others with similar interest's in like vehicles.

Yea the 75 shot is 41/26... 42 is a typo.. I went a bit richer but it still pulls nice and with the race of the sti, I could tell its putting near that to the wheels..

And mario, hondata doesnt allow you to adjust anything, its not a kpro, and its only reflashable by hondata..

[sickyute]

so the the ECU will not compensate for the nitrous? in no way? not even via the MAP?

then if so that's not good...that means u r making more power, using less fuel, thus can be harming parts cuz u may be running lean, unless u make ammendments to run a rich nitrous setup, then u not making all the power u can...basically that's it right?

Mario it will be a waste to get the fuel rail now...reason being you won't be able to adjust the flow. even if it can flow more fuel through it, you'll still be flowing the stock amount...the ECU controls that, not the rail...but it will be a good addition for later on when u can adjust the fuel etc....but i won't do anything now...

i thought of getting an aem fuel rail also...just for looks, atleast for now...but then realised i won't see it unless i ride without my manifold cover

good luck with the setups though M&M...atleast u know when u can tune u already have stuff to take advantage of.

i want a nice race header!!!!!somebody hurry up!!!!!

[2RotorMotor]

Originally Posted by sickyute

so the the ECU will not compensate for the nitrous? in no way? not even via the MAP?

then if so that's not good...that means u r making more power, using less fuel, thus can be harming parts cuz u may be running lean, unless u make ammendments to run a rich nitrous setup, then u not making all the power u can...basically that's it right?

Mario it will be a waste to get the fuel rail now...reason being you won't be able to adjust the flow. even if it can flow more fuel through it, you'll still be flowing the stock amount...the ECU controls that, not the rail...but it will be a good addition for later on when u can adjust the fuel etc....but i won't do anything now...

i thought of getting an aem fuel rail also...just for looks, atleast for now...but then realised i won't see it unless i ride without my manifold cover

good luck with the setups though M&M...atleast u know when u can tune u already have stuff to take advantage of.

i want a nice race header!!!!!somebody hurry up!!!!!

Im not entirely sure about how the ecu compensates for temps... But knowing about tunning, the ecu will compensate some for the drop in temp, which is substantial.. Besides, n2o is really really cold... The actual temp keeps the mixture from detonating, which is why typically, you can make more power from n2o, than you could from boost, while using less gas..

[bizzybearfigiblue]

martin's probably running a single nitrous fogger that's y u can't keep on it up top cause the engine will lean out if u go with a setup with four foggers then u wouldn't have this problem.