Ugh...Def. Not Impressed

[dragonitti]

Originally Posted by nayilsi

yea cause u can;t beat the times I have provided......

rather u choose to bring a noob Si driver in the game ....and show us amateur/non-competitive races.

I have track vids of my personal car, but that would defeat the purpose cause it's not stock. I have vids of when it had an exhaust, but that was two years ago, I could look for it if you wish. The best ever time it ran was 14.8, but I don't count it because it was that one time. I'm not for one hit wonders.

By the way, I've been signed up on these forums for a while, so didn't come here just from this thread.

[dragonitti]

Originally Posted by I Vtec, do you?

I'd say someone running a 160 HP 2900 lb car at a very low 15 is just about as common as someone running a 14.2 in the SI, stock. Some tracks just read faster times, that's what I think. Do you really think there are only two guys on the 8th that are such good drivers that they could squeeze out a 14.1, yet most of the good drivers on here get high 14s at best? Diff tracks, diff times.

So how many low 14sec Si's are there? I know of the one, but that's it. There are a pretty good number of low to mid 15sec tC's.

2 vs like 50 (on the low side)...I don't consider that normal.

[HTX]

this is amusing

[dragonitti]

I will try and dig up the low 15sec 1/4's from my own video archives. They are about 2 years old, so I will do my best. They were uploaded to putfile back then, and putfile likes to delete stuff if it has not been accessed in a long time. I use Youtube since as far as I can remember uploading vids.

[SoCal07Si]

Originally Posted by dragonitti

So how many low 14sec Si's are there? I know of the one, but that's it. There are a pretty good number of low to mid 15sec tC's.

2 vs like 50 (on the low side)...I don't consider that normal.

how many stock for stock tC's can beat Si's?

None?

Correct!

[nayilsi]

Originally Posted by dragonitti

So how many low 14sec Si's are there? I know of the one, but that's it. There are a pretty good number of low to mid 15sec tC's.

2 vs like 50 (on the low side)...I don't consider that normal.

We have had members on this Forum with

14.5 and 14.6 Stock (galaxygrey_K20Z or sumthing)
14.7 to 14.8
and loads of 14.9s

[eXe]

Originally Posted by dragonitti

Who's arguing about that?

Exactly....?

Originally Posted by I Vtec, do you?

I'd say someone running a 160 HP 2900 lb car at a very low 15 is just about as common as someone running a 14.2 in the SI, stock. Some tracks just read faster times, that's what I think. Do you really think there are only two guys on the 8th that are such good drivers that they could squeeze out a 14.1, yet most of the good drivers on here get high 14s at best? Diff tracks, diff times.

I was going to bring the HP and weight factors in but decided to keep my mouth shut, glad you said something though

Originally Posted by nayilsi

video or STFU

I lol'd

Originally Posted by SoCal07Si

me v. tC



he has intake, down pipe, exhaust, crank pulley

I have CAI

See the win light? me too

Damn, you sure all you got is a CAI? Sounds pretty loud, I dont remember mine being that loud when I had just my CAI... lol

Originally Posted by dragonitti

There flat 12sec tC's, there are 10sec tC's, there are 9 sec tC's (all motor and turbo'ed). And no, not ones with motor swaps.

My boy is picking up his fully built tC next week. 542whp was his bragging rights dyno number. Everyday driving will be 15 PSI on pump gas and 410whp. So, we are making progress pretty good in my opinion. And for track, of course there are Time attack tC's that own the Unlimited FF class track record at Button Willow, and some other tracks. The craziest thing is there is a Drift car tC....hehe.

Ok...? . Theres a hatch civic that has a corvette engine in it...?

Originally Posted by nayilsi

Being a BAT FTL

You say some funny stuff

Originally Posted by dragonitti

You are so missing the statements bro. You shouldn't let your emotions surpass the context of the conversation. I didn't say a stock tC will run high 14's all day did I? Cause, I'm pretty sure that I said that its faster than a tC. You are replying from emotion. Relax a little man.

So are you. Youre bringing a so called 542whp tC into a conversation about a stock vs. stock run that supposedly happened. And we dont even know if it did or didnt. Youre putting way to much thought into something thats already an answer. I dont understand what exactly you keep going on about. Youve supposedly ran a 15.1 before...Si's can/have ran a 14.1, and 14's.

[dragonitti]

Oh nice....it still works...sweet.

14sec Runs - Putfile.com

Just a little info on the vid. The tC running the 14.7 1/4 mile is not stock. I/H/E on that one. I am the second race (exhaust only) 15.1 1/4 mile (stock crappy scion tires). Then there is a tC at the end that runs a 15.3, I believe he was completely stock.

The reason why the vid looks the way it does (mushy looking) is because a Tornado came through Bowling Green, KY like a day or two before we had this Scion Shootout. So, the track was semi damp and was almost canceled on us, but they let us run because the event had been scheduled for a while and they did their best to dry it up.

The prize of this shootout was a Big Evo III 16G turbine from ZPI Racing (back when their shop was still around). My fiance begged to drive the last race, and it was between us running 15.1 - 15.2 all day with exhaust vs the high 14sec tC with I/H/E. When push came to shove, he missed 2nd gear coming off the line, and my woman made smooth butter shifts and we came home with the turbo, bragging rights for fastest N/A'ed tC, and the trophey. Came back a month or two later, dropped 3 G's down to get the turbo project started, and have not looked back since.

[SoCal07Si]

Originally Posted by eXe

Damn, you sure all you got is a CAI? Sounds pretty loud, I dont remember mine being that loud when I had just my CAI... lol

yes...unfortunately

[nayilsi]

Originally Posted by dragonitti

Oh nice....it still works...sweet.

14sec Runs - Putfile.com

Just a little info on the vid. The tC running the 14.7 1/4 mile is not stock. I/H/E on that one. I am the second race (exhaust only) 15.1 1/4 mile (stock crappy scion tires). Then there is a tC at the end that runs a 15.3, I believe he was completely stock.

The reason why the vid looks the way it does (mushy looking) is because a Tornado came through Bowling Green, KY like a day or two before we had this Scion Shootout. So, the track was semi damp and was almost canceled on us, but they let us run because the event had been scheduled for a while and they did their best to dry it up.

The prize of this shootout was a Big Evo III 16G turbine from ZPI Racing (back when their shop was still around). My fiance begged to drive the last race, and it was between us running 15.1 - 15.2 all day with exhaust vs the high 14sec tC with I/H/E. When push came to shove, he missed 2nd gear coming off the line, and my woman made smooth butter shifts and we came home with the turbo, bragging rights for fastest N/A'ed tC, and the trophey. Came back a month or two later, dropped 3 G's down to get the turbo project started, and have not looked back since.

tC NEEDs Loads of TAIL-WIND to GET low 15s.....Mother NATURE AND TC FTW

[dragonitti]

Originally Posted by eXe

So are you. Youre bringing a so called 542whp tC into a conversation about a stock vs. stock run that supposedly happened. And we dont even know if it did or didnt. Youre putting way to much thought into something thats already an answer. I dont understand what exactly you keep going on about. Youve supposedly ran a 15.1 before...Si's can/have ran a 14.1, and 14's.

I only mentioned the 542 whp tC just as simple talk. I was not saying anything about it against some Si's. I'm just saying your mentality is sounding like the tC is a worthless vehicle and has no potential, and the SI is just so much UBER elite over it. I just disagree that's all. .3 seconds faster for a good driver in an SI over a good driver in a tC is not enough for me to say it's UBER faster. I have an opinion about the cars and trying to be non bias about it. I just much rather enjoy my low end torque rather than the capabilities the Vtec provides on the top end. I don't drive around at 8k rpm all day to get that feeling, so I'm partial to the low end part for a normal driving car.

[thisisdudewhoru]

Boling green is a quicker track than bristol(where I'm at.) Had a srt4 that wouldn't cut past 14.2 at bristol and went to bolinggreen and imediately ran 13.8s all day. The best my Si cut at bristol dead stock was 15.3- I now cut 14.9-15.0s with i/h/reflash. I'm a bad driver tho. But apparently people are worse than me. I have NEVER been beat by a tc at bristol, even a s/c one. Haven't seen any turbos tho. I also haven't seen a single eigth gen Si cut faster times than I have either. Track elevation, temp, prep, DA, wind and everything factors in when we're talking about times. All tracks are different and there is really no way to compare two different drivers with two different cars racing at two different tracks.

[nayilsi]

Heres a tC driver describing how he beat an M3......I had to copy and photobucket thr glorious event.

[eXe]

Originally Posted by nayilsi

Heres a tC driver describing how he beat an M3......I had to copy and photobucket thr glorious event.

Photobucket of hack drawed diagram FTMFW

[dragonitti]

Originally Posted by nayilsi

tC NEEDs Loads of TAIL-WIND to GET low 15s.....Mother NATURE AND TC FTW

The Great Lakes don't even have enough water for that dry arse joke...LOL. Good try though..

[dragonitti]

Originally Posted by thisisdudewhoru

Boling green is a quicker track than bristol(where I'm at.) Had a srt4 that wouldn't cut past 14.2 at bristol and went to bolinggreen and imediately ran 13.8s all day. The best my Si cut at bristol dead stock was 15.3- I now cut 14.9-15.0s with i/h/reflash. I'm a bad driver tho. But apparently people are worse than me. I have NEVER been beat by a tc at bristol, even a s/c one. Haven't seen any turbos tho. I also haven't seen a single eigth gen Si cut faster times than I have either. Track elevation, temp, prep, DA, wind and everything factors in when we're talking about times. All tracks are different and there is really no way to compare two different drivers with two different cars racing at two different tracks.

I am not the only tC to ever run low 15secs basically stock to one mod. And there is definitely more that 2 in the world...lol.

So, speaking from logic here. The mention of 2 SI's running low 14's stock was brought up. Logically speaking, would it not be safe to say that every other car on the planet earth if put on the same track those 2 Si's achieved their times on, and with the same caliber drivers, would run considerably faster than it's well known average time?

And trust me, the conditions of Bowling Green that day, was not exactly "track" worthy. Tornado tore the place up...lol. But we were determined to have our day...

Do you know of Union Hill Raceway? It's an 1/8th mile track here in TN. We go there sometimes too. One of my club members has a completely, I mean completely stock tC and ran high 9's in the 1/8th mile, which is what I ran at Beech Bend in the 1/8th mile too. He has a 2007 tC. I think I got it on vid, can't remember if I recorded him that day too.

[dragonitti]

Originally Posted by nayilsi

Heres a tC driver describing how he beat an M3......I had to copy and photobucket thr glorious event.

Just a correction, that came from a chic, not a guy. Secondly, we all have our "ricers" in our respectable groups. I can admit that I use to be a ricer when I first got into the scene (95 Toyota Corolla). But those days are so long gone. No one is bashing the SI guys. I guess maturity is not in your vocabulary yet huh? I'm not going to repeat something I've already said before, so that's over and done. Just merely chipping away at the proverbial stereotype about tC drivers being all arse's and trying to race everything in site and thinking they are gods gift on 4 wheels. We have those type of people everywhere, but not all of them are like that. I for one am not. Every time I race, I've been the one to be challenged. I am not the type that goes zooming all over at every stop light. People challenge me because they have the same mentality as some of you have, and that the tC is a cookie cutter car. When done right, it's competitive.

[dragonitti]

nayilsi....what do you run in the 1/4 mile?

[udumkid]

Originally Posted by dragonitti

Oh nice....it still works...sweet.

14sec Runs - Putfile.com

Just a little info on the vid. The tC running the 14.7 1/4 mile is not stock. I/H/E on that one. I am the second race (exhaust only) 15.1 1/4 mile (stock crappy scion tires). Then there is a tC at the end that runs a 15.3, I believe he was completely stock.

The reason why the vid looks the way it does (mushy looking) is because a Tornado came through Bowling Green, KY like a day or two before we had this Scion Shootout. So, the track was semi damp and was almost canceled on us, but they let us run because the event had been scheduled for a while and they did their best to dry it up.

The prize of this shootout was a Big Evo III 16G turbine from ZPI Racing (back when their shop was still around). My fiance begged to drive the last race, and it was between us running 15.1 - 15.2 all day with exhaust vs the high 14sec tC with I/H/E. When push came to shove, he missed 2nd gear coming off the line, and my woman made smooth butter shifts and we came home with the turbo, bragging rights for fastest N/A'ed tC, and the trophey. Came back a month or two later, dropped 3 G's down to get the turbo project started, and have not looked back since.

I have run 13.8's with the same mods as you describe...just out of curiousity..how many T'cs and in the 13's NA?

[dragonitti]

Originally Posted by udumkid

I have run 13.8's with the same mods as you describe...just out of curiousity..how many T'cs and in the 13's NA?

Why ask a question about the potential of a car that does not benefit from being N/A? You take the platform for what it's capable of and use the route that it's best suited for and for the tC, that's F/I. The motor has 9:6.1 compression stock. So, it's exactly opposite of the way honda's are. Most factory performance Honda's are High compression, High reving, low torque. tC is pretty low compression (imo), lower rpm, more torque for the low end. I would not run that much boost on an SI with how high the compression is in it already, that's just my opinion and am not stating that it will blow up or anything, just my own preference.

IF I was a Honda fan, and had a Honda, I would want to run it N/A'ed, and take advantage of the way the motor is setup from the factory to perform (high compression, high reving). For the tC to take advantage of the way it's motor (2az-fe) is setup from the factory, you turbo it and skip 13's all together...

I like to think of myself as an automotive enthusiast, and see cars for what they are, and how to get the best from them. So, I'm not dissing on anyone with an SI, even though some continue to act immature about a simple debate.