Street Racing Threads

[Elmacho]

This may cause a stir among you racerboyz, but...

In my opinion, I believe this forum should ban all streetracing threads. Before I go into my reasons why, read this, from another forum (evolutionm.net), which makes many valid points. . .

"Evom has a policy to not allow street racing threads and videos. Any such post will be removed immediately and the poster given one warning. If it is illegal do not post. We have debated this many times and the moderators voted last year to implement this policy. If you don't agree, then post on the 100's of websites that condone it and wade through the 15 page thread's with 124 one line "nice kill dude....." posts.

Allowing street racing discussions and videos legitimizes an illegal activity that is dangerous and could cost us (owners) the right to modify our cars. Review the number of "cop stop me posts" here. Many of those stops are local townships overtly (some heavy handed) trying to stop street racing. Additionally, state legislatures are considering laws making it illegal to modify our cars other than shift knobs and floor mats.

Take your racing to the track please and post that LS1 kill in a timed event under safe conditions. Finally, if you don’t like the policy then spend a year here as positive contributor and all around good citizen. Then you might be considered for a moderator position and if accepted then lobby to change the policy. Thanks."


I am unsure if "state legislatures are considering laws. . .", but not being able to mod my car is the least I am worried about. I am more worried about the lives around you that you are putting at risk. For example, yesterday driving back from the beach a Ford Probe and a 7th gen Civic flew by me (and many others) at a speed well above 100. As I watched the Civic driver wave his hand out the window in the distance (because the Probe slowed down due to traffic, but the Civic went into the breakdown lane to pass all of the heavy traffic), I was disgusted. This person waves after he put his life and everyone's around him in danger. He has probably already posted about this somewhere, saying he "killed a probe". . . yeah. . . congradulations. . . get a life. Like the other forum posted, the only talk about racing should allowed be about racing at the track. In my opinion, all "kills" on the street are BS. There are too many variables. I see much too often of the Si beating faster cars only to have someone post "he probably wasn't racing. . .". This is true, just because the guy next to you turns his head and looks at your car (which happens often because the Si is visually appealing) doesn't mean he's going to redline every gear until the next stoplight.

I could continue this, but it frustrates me to continue to discuss the topic.
Bottom line, if you are going to race, grow up and do it at the track. And if you are going to race anyway, please don't brag/post about it.

I don't assume anything will come of this, but I feel as though people should be reminded that street racing is both dangerous and illegal.

OVERVIEW: (for those who don't want to read)
Purpose:
Ban street racing threads

Why?
1. Illegal (http://www.cops.usdoj.gov/mime/open.pdf?Item=1418)
2. Dangerous (Imagine actually killing someone...)
3. Immature (ex. "i think i whopped a lotus elise")
4. False "kills" (too many factors to justify any "kill" outside a track)

[skittleslegend]

Hear hear....

[CameronJr9]

I'm not opposed to this idea. I think this might be something that should be brought up with Webby, Shemmy, and 2fast4u2.

Edit: Moved to Questions and Concerns

[2RotorMotor]

I think its messed up to do so... The website is not liable in any way, and its just something that some people do... You are in no way helping to protect lives if all you are hearing about is the aftermath of an action taken by a member. Now setting up races and stuff of the sort, may be a problem, but that could be solved by not posting any call outs, which I haven't seen anyways..

[FujiBlueSi]

Originally Posted by skittleslegend

Hear hear....

I agree.

[Zesti1]

Originally Posted by 2RotorMotor

I think its messed up to do so... The website is not liable in any way, and its just something that some people do... You are in no way helping to protect lives if all you are hearing about is the aftermath of an action taken by a member. Now setting up races and stuff of the sort, may be a problem, but that could be solved by not posting any call outs, which I haven't seen anyways..

^ +1

Usually someone always posts in all the "race" threads that you should take it to the track, but I mean people will be people and do stupid things.....

[Bugs1066]

I think El Macho makes a valid point about street racing being illegal ,
stupid , and life threatening to innocent people .Banning a Forum devoted
to illegal street racing is not a bad idea .As far as banning all talk about
street racing ,Im not sure i agree with that .
Anyway thats just my opinion .

[CaliGuy]

I agree that street racing is dangerous, not smart, and I don't do it myslef. However, being libertarian I must disagree with banning postings of such.
This country is based on freedom, freedom of speech and expression come in to play here. While I don't particularly care for street racing threads I believe that people who eant to post/read them should be able to do so. F censorship.

Although this is a privately owed and operated site and the mods/webby will do as they feel is right and I will support their decision...

[venomous]

Originally Posted by Bugs1066

I think El Macho makes a valid point about street racing being illegal ,
stupid , and life threatening to innocent people .Banning a Forum devoted
to illegal street racing is not a bad idea .As far as banning all talk about
street racing ,Im not sure i agree with that .
Anyway thats just my opinion .

I second your idea. As a matter of fact, every other car forums made it a point to not condone street racing. It is dangerous and illegal and could cause innocent bystanders to get hurt. If you allow street racing in the forum as real racing, then you're encouraging people to go out and do it, while they are thinking that it is fine.

Bottom line, I'm against.

[Janizary]

I am ambivalent either way. I am 100% opposed to street racing, however, some fool posting about their idiocy doesn't concern me. Frankly, the bashing is entertaining.

[All_bets_off]

i would have to echo the last three posts by saying that i am against such limitations on thread content. I do not approve of street racing and i do agree that it is both dangerous and illegal, yet i do participate in street racing from time to time. I never race in traffic nor on busy roads, and i don't race people just flexing on the highway. It is definatly premeditated. I really don't understand the threadstarter's hostility towards racing posts and i'm kinda pissed you see fit to impose your "values" on this site. It is ultimatley up to webby and the others to decide. You really cannot put restrictions on this site because of a few assholes who drive recklessly racing when it is not needed. But there is a time and a place, the track if you're smart. But i really do believe that we should not have a ban on street racing threads, that's really ignorant in my opinion.

[Jrfish007]

Originally Posted by Elmacho

Allowing street racing discussions and videos legitimizes an illegal activity that is dangerous and could cost us (owners) the right to modify our cars.

Could you please shed a little light on this.

What causes owners the loss of the right to modify cars are street racers and such, not videos and what not on websites. I'm rather doubtful any lawmakers are reading this website.

I understand that street racing is bad, I completely agree, you don't have to convince me other wise, I already agree to this. However, I do not think that by posting on this site who killed what car and all that crap will enhance and deter anything that happens on the streets. Street racers will someday figure out how bad this really is, and it may or may not end up with hurting or killing someone, but in any case I do not believe posting it here will stop or promote street racing. Sure not being able to brag about it is a downer, but it won't stop anything. Honestly I jsut don't look at those threads, I know how you feel, you don't want to be put in danger or have your kids (if you have any) put in danger by these people, but they will always be out there and there is little we can do about it. I seem to be missing the concept of why posting or not posting this stuff will have any effect of what people do on the streets. Just my respectful .02.

[2RotorMotor]

Originally Posted by All_bets_off

i would have to echo the last three posts by saying that i am against such limitations on thread content. I do not approve of street racing and i do agree that it is both dangerous and illegal, yet i do participate in street racing from time to time. I never race in traffic nor on busy roads, and i don't race people just flexing on the highway. It is definatly premeditated. I really don't understand the threadstarter's hostility towards racing posts and i'm kinda pissed you see fit to impose your "values" on this site. It is ultimatley up to webby and the others to decide. You really cannot put restrictions on this site because of a few assholes who drive recklessly racing when it is not needed. But there is a time and a place, the track if you're smart. But i really do believe that we should not have a ban on street racing threads, that's really ignorant in my opinion.

Exactly... If you dont like the threads, then don't clickem.. No point in completely banning it here..

[skittleslegend]

Originally Posted by Bugs1066

I think El Macho makes a valid point about street racing being illegal ,
stupid , and life threatening to innocent people .Banning a Forum devoted
to illegal street racing is not a bad idea .As far as banning all talk about
street racing ,Im not sure i agree with that .
Anyway thats just my opinion .

Agreed. While I don't condone street racing, I don't see how banning all talk would help. Street racing has been around since Henry Ford built and sold his first car. It's just as illegal and immature to drive one mile per hour over the speed limit, or driving too fast in the snow or rain, or cutting people off because you're about to miss a turn, or tailgating someone because they're driving too slow, blah blah blah.


Point is, people do dumb things on the road everyday. No forum is going to ban that because people are people. Again, while I don't condone the act and while I see what you're getting at, I just don't see how a ban on it is going to help. Not that it's going to hurt although it's totally possible it could go either way. But people race each other in the Wal-Mart parking lot for a parking spot.....

[Jrfish007]

I do agree there should be a ban on this website for organizing street races and such, since that puts this website as a liability of being allowed to organize an illegal event. This is a policy adopted by most forums. But if the deed is done, there is little we can do.

[RaskyR1]

I think banning street racing threads is rediculus. Don't like it don't read it! I think some of them are funny. I agree street racing is bad but I grew up listening to my father telling my stories back in his day racing with his Cobra or '70 Chevelle with a 427 hopped up...It's in my blood. I think there are a lot of hypocrites on here...saying street racing is bad! I would guess half those people would race or have raced when lined up next to another car wanting to race. Who actually tells the guy no, but I'll take it to the track if you want because street racing is bad! Now there is a time and place obviously and doing it in traffic or a highly populated place is just dumb, but out on a country road with nothing around I don't have a problem with that. I'm not sure what it costs to go to the track and I don't even know of one that's close to where I live but some people don't feel like throwing a bunch of money down for a few runs at a track every day. If this forum does decide to ban such threads I'll just go else where to read them.

[Janizary]

I think someone's head just exploded.

[skittleslegend]

Originally Posted by Janizary

I think someone's head just exploded.

*chuckle* :)

[TommyD]

I agree, ban it! Most of the ish I see posted happens on public streets and the videos damn near always show innocent bystanders as the guys racing go by. It's dangerous and people have been killed.

What I find funny also is the kill stories. I mean you drive a damn Civic, not some 400-600HP muscle car. A race is around a racetrack where laptimes are significant, drive out of the corners, hitting the apex correctly, etc. Any idiot with a right foot can go fast in a straight line, it takes a driver to do that around a track. It's the same thing on the bike boards that I'm a member of, any jackass with a right arm can go fast in a straight line. Reading the dribble sounds like 13 year olds bragging that their Dad will beat up your Dad, it's childish.

On some desolate non populated non traffic area I'd understand but this shit always takes place around other motorists which is bs. "I got a win" "I got a kill" haha, sounds like you are trying to make up for having a small dick to me

[Jrfish007]

Originally Posted by RaskyR1

I think banning street racing threads is rediculus. Don't like it don't read it! I think some of them are funny. I agree street racing is bad but I grew up listening to my father telling my stories back in his day racing with his Cobra or '70 Chevelle with a 427 hopped up...It's in my blood. I think there are a lot of hypocrites on here...saying street racing is bad! I would guess half those people would race or have raced when lined up next to another car wanting to race. Who actually tells the guy no, but I'll take it to the track if you want because street racing is bad! Now there is a time and place obviously and doing it in traffic or a highly populated place is just dumb, but out on a country road with nothing around I don't have a problem with that. I'm not sure what it costs to go to the track and I don't even know of one that's close to where I live but some people don't feel like throwing a bunch of money down for a few runs at a track every day. If this forum does decide to ban such threads I'll just go else where to read them.

The track by me has $10 days where you can run as many times as you want... If you are a real fanatic about cars, you would run there because saying I beat such and such a car doesn't mean crap because the other car could have a crappy driver. It like saying I beat Elmo in a vet or the Cookie Monster in a Camaro, just because they are in fast cars doesn't make them fast drivers. I think people street race more for the adrenaline than anything else. just my .02