[xtant21]

^^ I think webby has the best idea right there.

When I initially replied to the first thread and then in this one I wasn't trying to stir up this hornet's nest of to seat belt or not seat belt...mod my car or not.

Simply put a lot of you that are reading this thread are seeing this as some annoying little alarm. I think there is a general consensus that the alarm is annoying; however, some people seem to have more ability to tolerate this in knowing that it is there for safety. The problem most of you are failing to see is that this alarm is part of a system as a whole.

The explanation given earlier of how to defeat this alarm does so in a manner that is not safe and in fact can cause worse harm in the event of an accident. The issue also goes deeper in that Honda put this in the car - you disable it but you don't re-enable it when you sell it and someone else gets hurt because of it. There is a rabbit whole of issues with this particular "fix". This is the basis for why this particular "fix" is being singled out. It's not about you wearing your seatbelt or not or someone here telling you that you should.

If someone isn't wearing their seat belt the air bag deploys with a lightened and slower force KNOWING that you are not wearing your seatbelt...if you disable the alarm buzzer in the manner explained earlier you are TELLING the system that someone IS wearing their seatbelt when they aren't...in turn they get blasted with a full-force air bag deployment...the safety system is expecting them to be restrained by the seat belt and they will hit the bag at a different point in time than they would have had they NOT been wearing their seatbelt. This could cause the worst harm of all if you know what I mean. The reason we have this two stage system today is because the automakers got sued years ago because the airbags were deemed to release too hard when someone wasn't wearing a seatbelt and caused worse injury and sometimes death. So to alleviate the problem they put in a system to determine seatbelt usage and deploy the airbags accordingly. Thus we have seat pressure sensors to tell if someone is seated and seatbelt sensors to tell whether a seatbelt is buckled or not. Additionally...there IS an automotive "blackbox" in these vehicles...it records events like a flight data recorder...including speed, seatbelt usage etc... That...is just a side note and FYI.

No one...not even the mods are trying to tell you to wear your seat belt...all I am saying and they are saying is that this particular way to "fix" this problem is a fundamentally bad idea. If you want to be mad at someone...be mad at me...I am the one who first suggested the thread be deleted before someone follows it and gets hurt. The mods must have agreed.

Again...many of you see this is "just the annoying alarm" but the way in which this "fix" defeats the alarm buzzer upsets other sensors that are there to protect in the event of an accident. In turn, this can cause worse harm. In this particular case, this "fix" is not just about the buzzer. This would not even be an issue if the fix explained did not upset other parts of the safety system. If the fix here simply did ONLY affect the alarm...you would not have heard a word from a moderator. In that case you are not making the safety system work against you...like you are with the "fix" explained earlier.

This whole issue should not be about what is illegal and legal...what to mod what not to mod...mufflers...dvds...and whatever else everyone pulled out of the air to try and bolster their case for their side of the argument. Replacing a steering wheel does remove the airbag and does reduce the safety of the vehicle; however, it also is an extremely visible change to the safety system and also does not affect OTHER parts of the safety system. That change is not affecting the safety system as a whole.

People really need to see this "fix" for what it is...and stop being upset and ticked off that someone is trying to tell you to do something (wear a seatbelt) that you don't want to do. Or that someone is trying to censor your feelings. Everyone needs to stop being petty about this and come up with another solution. One that does not affect the system...just the alarm buzzer itself.

Sorry guys...go back to having fun...I never meant for this to be the ridiculous argument that it is. Even if you don't agree with me...let's just drop this thing already...it is getting none of us anywhere. The best thing to do is petition Honda like Webby said or find a method that deals with the buzzer only...not the system. Ok? That's all we're asking.