[Chadillac]

Originally Posted by cdc3rd

Here's an interesting article: This Doctor says that second hand smoke does not kill, complete with references.
The Myth of Second Hand Smoke

This is a Doctor's blog. His website is nor peer reviewed and he's not even an expert in the subject. He's a surgeon.

Pen and Teller even did an episode on second hand smoke:
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Pen and Teller... Seriously?

"Not one study, anywhere, offers conclusive proof that breathing in second hand smoke causes cancer. Not one."
(Link to the EPA study claiming that second hand smoke is a carcinogen that was debunked: In a Nutshell:* Judge Osteen's July 17, 1998 Ruling)

I can't find that quote in your reference. And this reference even seems to go against your argument. This talks about a judge's ruling that second hand smoke be declassified of a (Group A) Carconigen because she felt that the EPA was cherry-picking data. But the lawyer that wrote this article explains exactly why the EPA chose the studies it did.

And this still doesn't effect the results from the EPA that show that second hand smoke helps cause:

acute respiratory illnesses in children
acute and chronic middle ear diseases
cough, phlegm and wheezing
asthma
Sudden Infant Death Syndrome (SIDS)
lung function in children
respiratory symptoms and lung function in adults

Here's a WebMD article:

Secondhand Smoke Study Raises Ire

Are you even reading your own references? All this says is that a controversial study came out that says there is no link between second hand smoke and heart disease or lung cancer. But then it says the American Cancer Society "blasted the study" saying it misused data and the Surgeon General even called the study bogus.

Here's a study from 1998:

http://jnci.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/r...90/19/1440.pdf

This study is actually worth something. However, they do find a correlation between workplace and spousal exposure to an increase in lung cancer. This goes against your argument. They however did not find a correlation between childhood exposure and lung cancer.

Here's someone's analysis of many articles: Secondhand Smoke Studies: The Hype and The Deceit

I didn't even bother reading this article. It's put together by a group with a pro-smoking agenda.

I've never smoked in my life and I never will. I do not like the smell of smoke. I do not like being around smoke.
Still, I have no right to tell people they can not smoke. If I do not like the smoke in a place, I will not go there.

If their smoking is having an effect on your children's health and your health, you have every right to tell them you can't smoke. If they want to smoke in their own home where they will not effect anyone else, then that's fine. But as soon as they step onto a public place they need to realize they're not only effecting their health but ours as well.

We have no right to stick a gun in a bar owner's face and tell them that they are not allowed to have people smoke in their business.

Who's talking about sticking guns in people's faces?

Just be honest. If you do not like second hand smoke, just say so.

I do tell people.

You do not have to blindly believe that it is giving you cancer so you get to tell other people what to do.

Blindly? I do not even believe that you read your own references and you're calling us blind?

The EPA has concluded from peer-reviewed studies (not blogs and TV shows) that second hand smoke does cause lung cancer (Health Effects | Smoke-free Homes Program | US EPA) among several other diseases.

I'd rather that no one smoked, but it's not up to me. We live in a free country and I do not have the right to demand other people stop doing something just because I do not like it, and neither do you.

If their actions are effecting our health and lives, then yes, we do have every right to tell them to stop smoking.