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Originally Posted by sickyute
before the manifold talk starts in another thread ... let me say this ...
u can't do a top mount cuz u can't remove that metal piece ... it's the only thing that stops water from getting into ur engine bay!!!
if u remove it an replace it with a plastic piece u'll have issues with heat ... then u'll say well use heat shield ... so on and so forth ... why do all that when u can just do a bottom mount or a sidewinder ...
the next thing is how does CN come in with AJP?
the person doing the AJP mani never worked for cybernation ...
ajp never did their own ems like CN ... hondata did it ... if u want to criticize hondata then go ahead ...
no kits have caught on fire, broke or anything like CN kits do ... i've seen CN kit break after 2 months of use ... i had this kit on my car for well over that long without any issue with the kit's hardware.
AJP = overprice but go Full Race ..... this is the most ridiculous thing i have ever heard ...
AJP = overprice .... then Full Race = grossly overpriced = Greddy = Greedy
what people don't realize is ...
Full Race will not give u nearly as much hardware as AJP and neither will Greddy ...
1.the price adds up as u add up all the other lil things that the AJP kit will come with ... fact ...
2.Full Race price = AJP price for less than what u get with the ajp kit ... fact again.
3.full race power = ajp power but u'll have to spend more money to get the other lil things u'll need to run a full race kit ... like gauges, bov, etc etc ... fact.
4.full race has staged kits that will be near 700+ power etc etc ... but all that is with changes in the turbo + WG etc .... You can do the same thing with an AJP kit ...
so where does this ajp = overprice go full race come from .... everyone wants to go full race but it's supposedly the next best thing but half of u won't pay the price ...
even on clubrsx people have gotten sick about everyone saying "go full race" cuz there are other options that do the same thing without he high cost ...
and to address the welds .... NO WELDS WILL COMPARE TO THAT OF FULL RACE!!!! why? cuz full race's welds are ROBOTIC TIG WELDED!!! u cannot compare a hand weld to a robotic weld ... BUT THAT IS NOT ENOUGH TO SAY THAT A HAND WELD WILL CRACK BECAUSE IT DOESN'T LOOK AS GOOD!
when an EMS comes out ... get the full race, add up the dollars for the other parts u'll need .. put it all together then go find urself one of the guys with an AJP kit or some other kit with comparable numbers then report back ...
at this point u can't compare the 2 apart from price ...
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yea keep the manifold outta this.... :Mad: ive seen too much posts on this MANIFOLD.... anybody else save it for another thread...