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i beat my friends ex with my si when it was stock by 2.5 cars he has a stick shift
the si aint crazy fast
jus like the impreza wrx and the wrx sti two different engine output but same body
but i like honda for atleast having a si upgrade
toyota doesnt even have a car to compete with the si recently
and the r 18 is pretty quick after bolt ons
probably can run mid 14's after i/h/e
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