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Originally Posted by habitat

Weight/Power ratio:
Civic LX auto = 2718lbs / 140hp = 19.41
Honda Odyssey = 4385 lbs / 244hp = 17.97

With the above facts, we can conclude that the R18 is potentially slower than a Minivan in a straight line.

potentially slower ?? that was the statement you intially made about the Civic. Auto trans or not your simple minded math is not the correct method to judge if one car is slower or not. Very crude 2nd grade type math or something a car magazine from 1970's would use. The Auto trans r18 is mostly designed for pure economy. Your crude math doesn't take into account the fact that if the auto trans r18 had just an estimated 2% different final drive ratio the speeds would be the same - yet you stand by your crude math.

What you seem to ignore is that although I'm lazy to use such a basic weight/power equation, I've proven my point by providing results from real road tests as my source.

You got lucky in finding the odessy a whopping .2 seconds faster. Even that proves your point is wrong. The minivan has a pretty good peak power to wegith advantage. YET is only .2 seconds faster. As I said before the r18 auto is designed for econo mode. A simple change in gearing would erase that .2 seconds advantage. Then what would you think of your simple math?

You on the other hand, still just post formulae without plugging in the variables. So ask yourself this, what is your argument with me?

If I had the time and two accurate dyno sheets and a copy of both cars trans specs. It could be done.

But you still argue that the R18 5A will beat an Odyssey in a straight line... why?

I could care less what car wins on a straight line. I've owned several fast cars over the years and never once have I went WOT slamming gears in a 1/4 mile race. Modded Audi TT, Supercharged Lt1 Camaro with Callaway mods, BMW motorcycles, and a 120hp highly modded Buell street bike.....

Originally Posted by trickyazn

habitat he has ego problems with a van beating him going straight, but one day there will be an r18 vs a van race at some drag strip and we'll show him it so he can stop trying to defend himself and his little "van killer" r18

I paid cash for my EX. Trust me I don't have an ego issue with my car. If I wanted to race a minivan or a Si- I'd simply get the keys to my wifes Dinan MCS - look it up.


and in response to his 100k mile ownership cost with an si and r18, in 100k how long would you have had a car? possibly 5 years at minimum, if anything will be at a whopping $2.19 more a day for owning the car. for those who drives less, driven 100k for 8 years then it would cost $1.37 a day. this is including gas+higher vehicle cost. but your forgetting if you do sell the car, the SI would grant a better residual cost due to its model and worth, wait till gas prices continue to rise.. SUV resale value is tanked, next up will be cars like the Si. When gas prices hit 4.50-5.00 gallon in the next 12 month high performance cars will drop in value quickly so technically the r18 doesnt cost MUCH more to own a SI. If 3-5k is technicall to you. To me that 4k savings is what my Artic Cat 650 4x4 ATV cost me. but honestly now, if your so into saving money per worth then a r18 wouldnt be your number one choice wouldnt it? youd consider a corolla or even a yaris as they would save you more money in the long run right? The r18 is quicker, looks better, and is more sporty than those. To each his own. The Si is not the only car in the world!let me tell you this, is $1.37 dollars more a day worth a 8+k redline, 60 more crank horsepower, engine potential not really suited to my driving style. Since the k20 only has a slight torque advantge and would require I slam and bang through gears all the time. Cool when I was 18. Not now. , actual vtec, better brakes, suspension, tires, aftermarket availability, interior design, and a spoiler STANDARD? most would say yes, people who dont absolutely care about a sporty feel car doesnt. if you modded your vehicle performance wise then chances are SI standard features would be more worth it to you. dont use price calculations with si vs r18 because unless you have no desire EVER to mod your r18 performance wise. not every body has the desire to mod for more power. Or does so on the daily driver. I've got motorcyle, ATV's and plenty of guns that I mod. [/quote]