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Originally Posted by NIGHTHAWKSI
but until that tuning is installed in your car, it cant really be called reliable. i am by no means a ECU tuner, i would have no idea where to start. but teh fact that there is no EMS on teh market that can be bought specifically for teh SI, leads me to beleive there is a reason why....a little difficult? too many problems to work around?
BTW...what parts you waiting on? id love to see that build thread finished....
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I'd hardly say that MoTeC and Haltech are not reliable. They offer a lot more features and have been proven time and time again. I'll probably be flamed for this, but the Hondata K-Pro is less reliable and does not offer anywhere near the features of MoTeC or Haltech.
Truth be told, you can install any Programmable EMS (PEMS) into the newer Civics and they will work. There is however two limitations. The first is because of the Drive By Wire (DBW) and the second is because of the introduction of the Controller Area Network (CAN).
To date, there have been several companies that overcame this problem by converting to a cable based throttle and running aftermarket gauges. This is expensive and will work, but the problem is that you will constantly have a check engine light and DTCs. The other concern is communications with other CAN based devices in the car.
With that being said, several aftermarket PEMS companies already have a proven solution to overcome the DBW limitation. As for CAN, that is a different animal. Even though the CAN protocol is a standard, each manufacturer implements the protocol slightly different. What that means is if you want a true standalone PEMS, then it will also require deciphering Honda's CAN protocol and programming the standalone mimic that communication (BTW, CAN was introduced in the 2006 model year and did not become 100% CAN based until the 2008 model year).
So what is the solution to installing a PEMS? At this point in time, it would seem that the best approach would be to install a PEMS that supports DBW in a parallel setup. The PEMS can receive the signals from the sensors, mirror those signals and output to the stock ECM so it gets what it needs for the CAN devices, and using the PEMS to drive all of the engine stuff.
I'd love to see my build thread completed as well, but it is still a few months out from being finished. The parts that I am waiting on are from another company that I care not to name. Both myself and RedShift have been in constant contact so hopefully, the remaining parts will be received soon.