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Originally Posted by habitat
Weight/Power ratio:
Civic LX auto = 2718lbs / 140hp = 19.41
Honda Odyssey = 4385 lbs / 244hp = 17.97
With the above facts, we can conclude that the R18 is potentially slower than a Minivan in a straight line.
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potentially slower ??
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Originally Posted by ryker
The math is not that simple you can't just use one single peak number and the weight.
The r18 has a nice flat torque band and a 6800rpm redline which is why it can out perform other cars with same peak power of 140hp. Also why the Si can out do the GTI which has more power and torque peak.
The math requires measuring each gears output with the correct RPM dyno spec and the weight of the car.
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Originally Posted by habitat
No, it is that simple, 3.5 liter SOHC motor 244 hp @ 5750 rpm/240 ft-lbs. @ 5000 rpm. It has more power and gets it sooner, and even weighing in at more than 2 tons, it has a better weight to power ratio than the Civic.
All I'm saying is it is slower than a minivan, take it how wish... it's fact.
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Originally Posted by habitat
Why? MATH BUDDY.
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Originally Posted by trickyazn
08' Odyssey:
0-60 mph 8.50 seconds
1/4 mile 16.39 seconds at 88.41 mph
07' Civic:
0-60 mph 7.92 seconds
1/4 mile 16.14 seconds at 89.57 mph
per Cars.com.
I retract my previous statement, Its VERY possible the civic can lose, now believe it.
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potentially slower?
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Originally Posted by habitat
But when I used the Odyssey for comparison, I pitted it against an Automatic Civic EX which looks more like this...
Civic EX 5A
1/4 Mile (sec @ mph): 17.1 @ 81.7
08 Odyssey Touring
Quarter-mile acceleration, sec. 16.9
Quarter-mile speed, mph 82.4
So yea, the R18 is slower than the Odyssey... but it's nothing to get all bent out of shape about.
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Still think its potentially slower?
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Originally Posted by habitat
What does any of this have to do with what I said?
Still you stand by Honda as if it were god. I get it, you like the fact that our engines have flat torque curves, it's a wonderful to have 90% of your torque from 1RPM. What you seem to block out in all your misconstrued torque talk is the fact that our engines have little to no torque to begin with.
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The issue is you stated some 2nd grade level math or peak HP to weight. Some 1960's car magazine crap. The real math involves the average g-force that can be pulled in the car via each gear and the RPM range of the gear untill the desired MPH is reached. Which is why the Civic with a good amount less peak power/pounds ratio is able to keep right with the more peak power car. Had the r18 came with just 5 more hp it would still have less power/pounds ration and be quicker. Or if the r18 had tighter gears.
No Honda is not god of cars. I actully like German cars! Sold my 340ft/lbs VW TDI for the r18, so I am fully aware the naturally aspirated r18 has little torque. Had I not known that fuel prices would have been so high I would have bought a used c43 or a near near GTI.