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Originally Posted by ryker

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Shaft power is the product of shaft speed and torque, and the speed and torque can be altered proportionally using gears. (Honda matched this perfect on the Si) If we want to apply a lot of torque to a shaft that is rotating, a lot of power is needed. The more power the better. However, the power must be accessible from all vehicle speeds, which can only be accomplished by producing a lot of torque throughout the rev range, or by having a transmission with many gears. (try 6th gear WOT at 70mph then downshift to a higher alter gear like 3rd) It is this fact that has spawned phrases like "Torque is King", or "Horsepower sells cars, but torque wins races", which can be misleading. Torque on its own isn't useful in accelerating a vehicle, because it is not at rest; it is moving. Therefore, power at the wheels is what matters. Cars are often described by their power-to-weight ratio, not their torque-to-weight ratio.
The vehicle with the largest average acceleration is the one that has the largest average force going to the pavement through a wide range of speeds. Which is why a turbo car or v8 is easier to drive than the low torque 4 bangers.

" Peak power sells cars. High average power wins races. "

What does any of this have to do with what I said? OKAY I understand, You're very good at copy/paste... you must even know the keyboard shortcuts!

Honda knows this and does an awesome job on BOTH the r18 and Si by providing a flat torque band that is useable throughout the entire RPM range and by using a close ratio 6-speed in the Si.

Still you stand by Honda as if it were god. I get it, you like the fact that our engines have flat torque curves, it's a wonderful to have 90% of your torque from 1RPM. What you seem to block out in all your misconstrued torque talk is the fact that our engines have little to no torque to begin with.