argh! this always happens, I post a reply to something and I thought I was on the other forum. I guess I didn't mention the fact that it was at a field behind my plant. They are always very nervious, and they don't like you getting close. The amount of time to put up a tripod or even a monopod, they would have moved on. I'm thinking about buying a bean bag type thingie that I found online. It drapes over your car door or hood and provides suport.