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***Freq18hz*** · 01-13-2008, 02:31 PM

Look,

Magazines already know about it, read car and driver's (or road and track's, can't remember which one's) long term test on the SI. The factory knows about it. Consumer reports knows about it.

GET OVER IT ALREADY.

I had this same problem on my '05 Acura RSX-S. Integra's, Civic's have been having this problem for a long time.

The reason why honda doesn't care, is that it is just a feel issue. The triple cone syncros exist on 2nd and 3rd for two reasons.

1. Durability

2. To make sure your transmission doesn't allow you to easily mis-shift into the wrong gear, because the syncros are worn.

Now I know I know, everyone is going to say "but when the grind happens, it sometimes pops out, and I do mis-shift."

I am aware of that but try driving a car with a MISSING syncro, without double clutching you think you are dropping it into 6th, but its actually second, and you CANNOT FEEL it. = Valve/Piston contact and a blown motor.

Although the grind is not ideal, it is necessary for this particular gear box design to function properly, due to its extremely close ratio gears.

It is an _extremely_ durable design.

REST ASSURED, your gear box will last HUNDREDS of thousands of miles.

Not a single RSX owner, including myself has reported any transmission failures due to this issue. And believe me, my grind problem was MUCH worse than any SI I have seen, including my own.

So I know it sucks, but you didn't buy a BMW, or a Ferrari. Honda doesn't care if your transmission feels perfect for the next 50,000 miles...

They care that your transmission WORKS for the next 300,000 miles.

END OF DEBATE

If you want a perfect feeling car, buy a Porsche or a BMW and STFU.
But get ready for a 50,000-100,000 mile car, with insanely expensive repairs.

My '05 3 series BMW never had a single issue with the tranny or the clutch. Even after 50k miles the clutch and gearbox felt brand new.

Too bad the car started shutting off on the freeway, and couldn't be restarted until it sat for awhile. You think a gear grind is bad, try stopping a 3600 lb car without power brakes at 70MPH at night, with no headlights.

STOP COMPLAINING.

-Freq

01-13-2008, 02:31 PM	#139 (permalink)
*Freq18hz* car salesman beware Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: San Jose, CA Age: 28 Posts: 860 iTrader: 0 / 0%	Stop Complaining. Look, Magazines already know about it, read car and driver's (or road and track's, can't remember which one's) long term test on the SI. The factory knows about it. Consumer reports knows about it. GET OVER IT ALREADY. I had this same problem on my '05 Acura RSX-S. Integra's, Civic's have been having this problem for a long time. The reason why honda doesn't care, is that it is just a feel issue. The triple cone syncros exist on 2nd and 3rd for two reasons. 1. Durability 2. To make sure your transmission doesn't allow you to easily mis-shift into the wrong gear, because the syncros are worn. Now I know I know, everyone is going to say "but when the grind happens, it sometimes pops out, and I do mis-shift." I am aware of that but try driving a car with a MISSING syncro, without double clutching you think you are dropping it into 6th, but its actually second, and you CANNOT FEEL it. = Valve/Piston contact and a blown motor. Although the grind is not ideal, it is necessary for this particular gear box design to function properly, due to its extremely close ratio gears. It is an _extremely_ durable design. REST ASSURED, your gear box will last HUNDREDS of thousands of miles. Not a single RSX owner, including myself has reported any transmission failures due to this issue. And believe me, my grind problem was MUCH worse than any SI I have seen, including my own. So I know it sucks, but you didn't buy a BMW, or a Ferrari. Honda doesn't care if your transmission feels perfect for the next 50,000 miles... They care that your transmission WORKS for the next 300,000 miles. END OF DEBATE If you want a perfect feeling car, buy a Porsche or a BMW and STFU. But get ready for a 50,000-100,000 mile car, with insanely expensive repairs. My '05 3 series BMW never had a single issue with the tranny or the clutch. Even after 50k miles the clutch and gearbox felt brand new. Too bad the car started shutting off on the freeway, and couldn't be restarted until it sat for awhile. You think a gear grind is bad, try stopping a 3600 lb car without power brakes at 70MPH at night, with no headlights. STOP COMPLAINING. -Freq