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Old 01-04-2008, 08:28 PM   #137 (permalink)
Jaranath
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Originally Posted by atruhondagrl View Post
Just like the devil, Jarnath, does not force our hands but influences our decisions and ideas allowing us to carry out his evil plan.


Wohahahaha. Evil Jarnath. Sorry, I couldn't help it. I've been at work all day, I log on and I see a conversation about Zombies? It doesn't get any weirder than that.
Hehe, sorry friend, wrong “Jaranath” there.

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Originally Posted by ffswizzlestick View Post
Also, in order to accurately date something that is billions of years old, they can't use carbon-14. Because of the "short" half-life of carbon, there would not be enough carbon to do anything with. After only 11,000 years, they have 1/4 of the amount. It gets exponentially smaller. So for billions of years, they would need something with a half-life of hundreds of millions to billions of years.
Yes, they would, wouldn't they?

Ffswizzlestick, understand that I'm careful with insults and careful with word usage, such that when I say you demonstrate an enormous amount of scientific ignorance here, it does not mean and is in no way intended to imply something like “You are a disgustingly stupid git.” Because I doubt that's the case. Ignorance is lack of knowledge, nothing more. I'm quite happy to admit my own staggering ignorance on any number of subjects. It's unfortunate that these days people falsely equate the term with “unintelligent” and use it disparagingly.

At any rate, given your current “lack of knowledge,” there isn't much of a productive conversation we can manage here. I'd recommend you spend a few months here:

talkorigins

and in particular this incredibly helpful section:

Index to Creationist Claims

though it appears from your comments that you also have fundamental issues with grasping the scientific method and basic standards of scientific evidence. So I might also recommend a good undergraduate biology curriculum, with an emphasis on evolutionary biology and philosophy of science/critical thinking. And no, that's not a joke, though I'm well aware how impractical that proposition is for most people. It would nevertheless help enormously.

With all of that said...from your comments you appear to be a Young-Earth creationist, and it appears that you (as is typical for YECs) reject common descent and embrace special creation. So if nothing else, I'm hoping I can prime your curiosity with the following: During the Dover trial, Ken Miller offered two excellent, layman's-terms examples of typical evidence for common descent. You can find them here:

Ken Miller's Dover testimony

Just start reading at the section that the link takes you to (plagiarized errors in hemoglobin genes), and continue through to the end of his discussion of a chromosomal fusion event in the history of human evolution. If that whets your appetite, you can learn more here:

The Scientific Case for Common Descent
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