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aki · 12-30-2007, 05:55 AM

This intake war is petty, and needs to stop. This post is directed to Ant, our tireless Nor Cal meet-up guy =)

I followed X's intake from the very beginning (even getting into lil debates with him about AFR). I heard him go through his various versions, countless MAFs, multiple dynos where he kept trying different setups until getting that 13 AFR that's ideal for N/A engines.

In the end I bought the MAF (which was $100 shipped in beginning? don't remember). I haven't used it yet, but for whatever application I'm going with, it's going in.

I see your point about $300 being a lot of money. I would never pay $300. But I think you're misunderstanding what ppl are paying for. Is the MAF a free part of the Si? Yes. Can you buy your own MAF housing for $20? Yes. But that's not what ppl are paying for. People are paying for knowledge. Knowledge is a commodity, and if X wants to keep certain aspects of his design that's his prerogative. Just like you're not forcing anybody to use your DIY intake, X isn't forcing anybody to buy his.

The other thing is people are paying for is labor--more importantly, worksmanship. Judging by your DIYs (I saw them all and they're great), you have a lot steadier hands than I do. You have a dremel tool. I don't. You have an exacto. I don't (lol). So not only do I have to buy the tools, the $20 MAF, but I'd also have to do a good job cutting sanding and whatever else. It's not worth my time because screwing up is a realistic possibility--hence it's not worth dropping money for. I'd rather spend $100 or $125 on something with proven results.

I don't doubt you have gains from your DIY. I severely doubt I'd get gains from doing my own, esp since I've never even used a dremel tool in my life. Hence, the investment was worth it. I don't regret it at all, even seeing this DIY--heck, even if X gave step-by-step instructions.

Last thing, I like your silicon tube idea. Turbulence would develop in ridges, particularly in bends because the air would bounce off. I think it may even be better than CR-V tubing in X's intake. I found that section of the vacuum tubing 'n such the most helpful.

+1

But man, I think both sides, both camps need to chill out with the bashing.

12-30-2007, 05:55 AM	#136 (permalink)
aki Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: tehインターウェブ Age: 32 Posts: 8,707 Semi-Si Sedan Hater	This intake war is petty, and needs to stop. This post is directed to Ant, our tireless Nor Cal meet-up guy =) I followed X's intake from the very beginning (even getting into lil debates with him about AFR). I heard him go through his various versions, countless MAFs, multiple dynos where he kept trying different setups until getting that 13 AFR that's ideal for N/A engines. In the end I bought the MAF (which was $100 shipped in beginning? don't remember). I haven't used it yet, but for whatever application I'm going with, it's going in. I see your point about $300 being a lot of money. I would never pay $300. But I think you're misunderstanding what ppl are paying for. Is the MAF a free part of the Si? Yes. Can you buy your own MAF housing for $20? Yes. But that's not what ppl are paying for. People are paying for knowledge. Knowledge is a commodity, and if X wants to keep certain aspects of his design that's his prerogative. Just like you're not forcing anybody to use your DIY intake, X isn't forcing anybody to buy his. The other thing is people are paying for is labor--more importantly, worksmanship. Judging by your DIYs (I saw them all and they're great), you have a lot steadier hands than I do. You have a dremel tool. I don't. You have an exacto. I don't (lol). So not only do I have to buy the tools, the $20 MAF, but I'd also have to do a good job cutting sanding and whatever else. It's not worth my time because screwing up is a realistic possibility--hence it's not worth dropping money for. I'd rather spend $100 or $125 on something with proven results. I don't doubt you have gains from your DIY. I severely doubt I'd get gains from doing my own, esp since I've never even used a dremel tool in my life. Hence, the investment was worth it. I don't regret it at all, even seeing this DIY--heck, even if X gave step-by-step instructions. Last thing, I like your silicon tube idea. Turbulence would develop in ridges, particularly in bends because the air would bounce off. I think it may even be better than CR-V tubing in X's intake. I found that section of the vacuum tubing 'n such the most helpful. +1 But man, I think both sides, both camps need to chill out with the bashing.