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Originally Posted by skittleslegend
The 99-01 ITR's had a limited run here. And they sat on dealer's lots.
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ITRs were overpriced, and gave much less bang for the buck than the current Si. I never cared for the ITR, or any Integra for that matter.
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So if it doesn't have these three things at the price of the GTI, then what? You'd go buy a GTI, right? Why pay the price of a GTI, if you're not getting everything the GTI is getting? So just what ARE you getting?
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I have no idea what you're talking about. So you're saying a bump in 20HP plus retuned suspension would put the price of a fully loaded CTR w/o Xenons or leather would be at $28k? Are you kidding? At most it'd cost $24k w/o those luxury options, and would bump up to $28k (the price of a fully loaded GTI) with them. And isn't it a bit simplistic to think that you're getting less with a CTR w/o those accoutrements? How about reliability issues with VWs? Lack of LSD? The fact that a loaded GTI WOULD cost more than a similarly equipped CTR due to higher production costs in Germany--the *main* reason why they are discontinuing the current gen Golf so quickly? A CTR, if not marked up could even be a couple thousand cheaper. And even if it isn't cheaper, you still have a car with a little more horsepower, better handling (less roll in corners, LSD), better steering feel, and better reliability reputation.
The GTI isn't selling well because it's expensive, and it's expensive because of high production costs. Honda doesn't have that same problem of high production costs. That levels the field in terms of price point. And if the CTR would only see limited importing of a couple thousand units/yr, you wouldn't have VWs problem of GTIs languishing in lots.