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When i referred to us waiting for Vtec i meant from the two times we were at a dead stop. Yeah i was in the Si. The Tc had no passenger. My buddies pretty fat and I'm pretty thin heh but maybe hes just too much to lug around. But I've just come to the conclusion he must really suck at driving, i personally am just starting to learn how to drive a stick, so i really don't know enough to judge his driving skills. But i believe you guys because if you look at the numbers, Scion Tc beating a Civic just doesn't add up. It has to be human error.
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^ wow you answered your own question! Congrats
